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June 29[edit]
June 29, 2024
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2024 Mongolian parliamentary election[edit]
Blurb: The ruling MPP party secures a slim majority in the 2024 Mongolian parliamentary election. (Post)
News source(s): The Associated Press
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit), Enkhsaihan2005 (talk · give credit) and Number 57 (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Article has a few outstanding tags. Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support article could use some improvement but is good enough for now. Proposed altblurb This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
June 27[edit]
June 27, 2024
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RD: Landry Nguémo[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, L'Équipe, Goal.com, The Scotsman
Credits:
- Nominated by Oltrepier (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Harrywinner (talk · give credit), Kelisi (talk · give credit), CAWylie (talk · give credit) and Robby.is.on (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former footballer who represented Cameroon at senior international level, and played for Nancy, Celtic and Bordeaux, among other clubs. Unfortunately, the article is still in poor shape, and might use some more citations, but it's definitely nothing "unfixable". Oltrepier (talk) 19:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose outstanding amount of cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Added cn tags. Early career and time at Nancy is very undercited. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
June 26[edit]
June 26, 2024
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RD: Kinky Friedman[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Texas Tribune, Rolling Stone
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American musician, satirist, and politician. Has orange banner, needs some more sources. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 16:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose discography and Writing career sections are almost entirely unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:51, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Sergei Berezin[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toronto Sun, CBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Exp691 (talk · give credit) and Connormah (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Russian professional ice hockey player. Pretty good shape. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 16:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks alright to me and before anyone say that Career statistics section is unsourced, the source is in the external link section. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Jackie Clarkson[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NOLA
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Benn257 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American politician: Louisiana House of Representatives and New Orleans City Council. Could do with a few more citations. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 16:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait some paragraphs end without any footnotes. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:54, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Bolivian coup attempt[edit]
Blurb: In Bolivia, an army under the command of Juan José Zúñiga storms the presidential palace in an attempted coup. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg , BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Fresh news story, Bolivia appears to have underwent a coup attempt from a local General. — Knightoftheswords 20:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, but Zúñiga's article is still a one-sentence stub for now. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- The article is already a little bit longer now, although it can still very much be improved. Given the importance and recency of the situation, it should be okay for posting. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, I wonder where this one goes. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - it has a dozenWP:RS citations now. It's still a work in progress, but it's only a matter of time before this gets to the front page. A short amount of time, if you ask me. Kire1975 (talk) 21:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, notable and the article seems good Personisinsterest (talk) 22:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, if leaning towards wait. The big question for that is the disposition/fate of Luis Arce, which so far no news seems to have reported. (e.g, was he not there? Did he escape? Did the coup capture him?) I suspect that we'll get an answer on that within a few hours anyway. As long as the articles remain as decently-cited as they are now, it should be good to post. Nottheking (talk) 22:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is a classic WAIT. If sucessful, then yes to posting. If it all fizzles out in a few hours with no or minimal loss of lives and the arrest of the soliders etc., then that's not something we normally (or should) post. -- KTC (talk) 22:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- We should post it in any case, the event already gained traction. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait Let's see if something worth a blurb is actually happening. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, but Wait to see if it is successful per above. Editor 5426387 (talk) 22:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Troops have pulled out, so it likely failed, but it is still a notable event. If this happened in a similarly-sized country in Europe, it would absolutely have been posted. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Military coups are not common in Europe. In South America the record is somewhat different. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Troops have pulled out, so it likely failed, but it is still a notable event. If this happened in a similarly-sized country in Europe, it would absolutely have been posted. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- support on notability coups a rare thing nowadays Kasperquickly (talk) 00:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not really. Bremps... 19:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not to bludgeon my point, but there were two coups in 2022, one foiled plot in 2023, another foiled one in 2024, and another brewing on the horizon in Burkina Faso alone. Not to mention Niger, Tunisia, Chad, etc. There's a coup epidemic. Bremps... 21:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. There's enough unqualified support here for a consensus and quality seems OK now. Only the coup article bolded though, not the BLP per usual convention. — Amakuru (talk) 00:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Bakhyt Kenjeev[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Meduza
Credits:
- Nominated by Trepang2 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
A renowned Kazakh-born Russian poet, a founding member of the "Moscow Time" group of Soviet underground poets. Recipient of several notable Russian literary prizes, said to have been nominated for the Nobel prize.
- Not Ready. Stubby, the usual problem, and several tags needs to be resolved. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready Works section needs more souces. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) ICC issues arrest warrants for Russia's Shoigu and Gerasimov[edit]
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: The ICC has issued arrest warrants for the Russian army chief and former defense minister for war crimes in Ukraine. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, VOA, NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
- Oppose - total of one sentence in the entire bolded article referencing the news item. Not to get WP:CRYSTALBALL, but this is a symbolic move that likely will not have many consequences, similar to Putin's arrest warrant (other than restricting travel). In particular, the NYT article states, "That makes it highly unlikely that Mr. Shoigu and General Gerasimov will be taken into custody in the foreseeable future". Also covered by the Ongoing section; could be considered part of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Finally, another article for the arrest warrants does not yet exist (as exists at International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova), and including that article in the blurb, or at least mentioning the subjects of the warrants, would be more appropriate. Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The last time ITN was fooled into posting something like this, the most significant consequence was Main Page readers having to look at Putin smiling at them for an unreasonably (and perhaps uncomfortably) long time; I don't know what these guys look like, but I'm pretty anyone smiling in an official portrait is the entirely wrong look for this harmless-yet-ill-intended sort of news. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Putin was one thing as a sitting head of state, this is comparatively far less important. The Kip (contribs) 06:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Putin story was notable as it was the head of the state but Army chief is not that notable. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - As PrinceOfPunjab says, Putin was worth posting as head of state, but this is a subsidiary matter and not suitable for ITN. It very much falls under Ongoing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) 2024 NEET controversy[edit]
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Blurb: Outrage and protests erupt in India regarding irregularities surrounding the results of the National Eligibility-cum-Entrance Test (NEET) (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)
- Oppose nothing in the article explains why it should be feature on the main page. LiamKorda 04:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm not sure if this really reaches the notability standard for ITN. The Kip (contribs) 06:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It is not something significant enough to be featured in the ITN. Close it under WP:SNOW. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support At this time of year, the lives of millions of students and their families around the world are dominated by such high-stakes examinations. This is clearly more significant than local sporting events, say, and so it's good to run a relevant item. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral, leaning Support, but the blurb could be clearer, and should target the correct article. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh what a mess. I think the main difficulty here is that there's no specific date tied to when this controversy began. Moreover, the article doesn't currently mention any real protests. I think mass protests would be a reasonable date to blurb this, but otherwise the current system of ITN is not really designed for slowly-increasing controversies. Article looks good tho, so I am open for improved blurb ideas. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Paper leaks and student protests are routine and recurring events in India. These have no large significance outside the country. — hako9 (talk) 18:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Fraudulent issues in the Indian education system are regular. This one has a more coverage than usual but it's still not ITN-worthy. Black Kite (talk) 18:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
June 25[edit]
June 25, 2024
(Tuesday)
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RD: Bill Cobbs[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article needs to be improved before posting. Staraction (talk | contribs) 19:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose orange tag and is in need of more sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Chang'e 6 return[edit]
Blurb: The China National Space Administration mission Chang'e 6 successfully returns to Earth with rock samples from the far side of the Moon (lunar landing site pictured). (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
We did post when it arrived at the moon, and per ITNR, its successful return is also there. Unfortunately, I don't know how much more than a sentence update (both lede and body) can be made here, given that it is China and news from there tends to be iffy. There definitely needs to be a better update before posting. --Masem (t) 04:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, per nom, can't see how the realization of what was always supposed to happen on this moonrock-collecting mission gets any bigger or better than this. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per nom, as well as the fact we previously blurbed it anyways. The Kip (contribs) 06:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lean oppose inasmuch as it was already posted when it landed This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support The composition of the far side is different and so return of these samples is significant. As this is the main point of the mission and it's ITN/R , we should note its success. Note also that the Starliner is not going so well and so such success cannot be taken for granted. And adding more sentences to the article will be easy – just give me a moment. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support It is not everyday that satellites that reached moon's surface also return back to earth. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:10, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support They literally got a moon rock that’s pretty important Personisinsterest (talk) 10:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - It's good news, but we already ran with the moon landing as the major event of this mission, and I don't think we need this as well. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I wonder if it had been optimal if we had only blurbed this article upon Chang'e's return, and not on landing. Then we would've had the best of both worlds. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- That would have been a gamble, though, since there's no guarantee a mission will ever complete all its objectives. Moonreach (talk) 13:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, new frontier in science and a nice break from bad news. I don't think it's newsworthy enough to give it the picture slot too, though. - Moonreach (talk) 13:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Return of a spacecraft is not big news and we already blurbed the landing on the far side of the moon. Natg 19 (talk) 16:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Already covered ITN, and this subsequent event appears to not meet the criteria outlined at ITNR. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, an update to the status of an article about a notable topic of broad public interest. There's no rule that something can only ever be mentioned on ITN once and I don't see why that should be factored into the decision. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Thebiguglyalien, Moonreach, Andrew Davidson and the nominator. Big international news. Jusdafax (talk) 01:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Per most of the supports above. Being the first to return samples from the far side of the moon is highly significant. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 07:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Already posted this, and not ITN/R. If and when there are humans landing on the moon and then returning again, that might be momentous enough to post twice. But this is more of an incremental achievement IMHO. — Amakuru (talk) 09:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment removed from ITNR. ITNR does list "Arrival of spacecraft (to lunar orbit and beyond) at their destinations" as suitable events, but that seems to only be referring to outgoing spacecraft. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair,
to lunar orbit and beyond
very much sounds like it doesn't include Earth. :p Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)- Earth is beyond the path of lunar orbit. Otherwise we'd crash. The only question (which might not even matter) is whether we're in front of the moon or behind it. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair,
- Oppose. Already posted at an earlier stage of the mission. Nigej (talk) 06:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. No rocks have been recovered from the moon since the Apollo and Luna missions in the 1970s, and they are exceedingly rare. This is the only sample return mission from a state other than USA or USSR. Polyamorph (talk) 07:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support These rocks are from the far side of the moon and as such are unique in the history of lunar exploration. Very important to cover it — Iadmc♫talk 10:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Come on, first far-side moon rocks. Bremps... 17:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Sika Anoa‘i[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today, WWE
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by JasonH1978 (talk · give credit) and HapHaxion (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American Samoan professional wrestler. WWE Hall of Fame. Needs some more citations (I have added some tags and the banner), but it seems people are updating the article. If you know who should be considered an updater, please add to nom. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 22:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose need for more citations as some sections are still unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notablity: Needs more citations and some sections are still unsourced. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 16:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Duke of New Gwynedd Recent deaths have no notability requirement. See the footer of the yellow box at the top of this section. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support All cited now. I suppose a Photo RD is "asking too much". He was 79. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good and well sourced. Seems very notable— Iadmc♫talk 14:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Kenya protests[edit]
Blurb: Nineteen people are killed and dozens are injured as protesters storm the Parliament Buildings in Kenya (Post)
Alternative blurb: Nineteen people are killed and at least 160 are injured as protesters attack the Parliament Buildings in Kenya.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ornithoptera (talk · give credit), Tosatur (talk · give credit), War Term (talk · give credit), Poplicolascribere (talk · give credit) and Owinomaestro (talk · give credit)
Article needs a significant rewrite. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 15:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb 1 - Focus on the main article. Highly significant event, article might need some rewriting. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, highly significant, although article needs a bit of expansion if possible. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is an embarrassment that the article on the attack is longer than the one on the buildings. And that the article on the buildings is longer than the one on the parliament itself. Fine set of priorities we're encouraging here. —Cryptic 16:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Very significant Personisinsterest (talk) 16:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality and possible POV issues. The details of the bill should be sourced to third parties, particularly claims that are not clearly part of the bill's language. Masem (t) 17:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Strongly support - Snipertron12 Talk 17:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC) Highlighted vote. Bremps... 22:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Best to bold that so no one overlooks it. Bremps... 22:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb on basis of notability, but some expansion would be needed. A national parliament of a major African nation being set on fire is certainly noteworthy. International newspapers seem to be increasing their coverage of the event, so hopefully there will soon be more info to beef up the article.Khuft (talk) 21:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability: there's some things that still need citations though. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 21:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 22:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, per above. Update: just resolved the remainder of the CN tags on the article. Ornithoptera (talk) 22:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, on quality at this time. Support on notability and should the article(s) improve. Kenya Finance Bill protests article needs some work. Some of the details are wrong and some are trivial. The causalities section contradicts the infobox. Parts of the lede are not addressed in the body, making some elements seem undue. 2024 Parliament of Kenya attack is sparse with details. Needs work IMO. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, Oppose on quality per all above. The Kip (contribs) 06:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle per discussion above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. LiamKorda 08:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support attack article looks good now and protest was also quite significant. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - This is huge news. The death toll is now being reported as 13 by the BBC. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Article has been updated, should be sufficient for posting. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 12:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I still think Kenya Finance Bill protests needs work, but 2024 Parliament of Kenya attack looks better (disclosure: I just marked the page as reviewed). I recommend a variation of the altblurb if it is posted. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 18:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted ALT1. Schwede66 02:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Unless the rioters/protestors are killing their own the security forces are behind the deaths. If/when confirmation comes, we should add that to the blurb instead of relying on passive voice. Bremps... 22:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Mohamed Arif[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Edition
Credits:
- Nominated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Maldivian footballer. Death announced 25 Jun 2024. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 15:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is in much better shape. Sharrdx (talk) 19:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, needs work. I have tagged what needs citations. Would you be able to tackle @MAL MALDIVE? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 22:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose there are some cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Julian Assange Released[edit]
Blurb: Julian Assange agrees to a US plea bargain that would allow for his immediate release. (Post)
Alternative blurb: WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is released from prison as part of a U.S. plea bargain.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Aaron Liu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit), Ekosur (talk · give credit), Aaron Liu (talk · give credit), Speakfor23 (talk · give credit) and Davide King (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Aaron Liu (talk) 00:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Significant event. — hako9 (talk) 00:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Judge needs to approve of this. That's probably the better time to consider. He may be going right back into jail if the judge denies. --Masem (t) 01:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Oppose. The appropriate time to post this story would be if/when he actually gets out. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Technically he has already gotten out. He was released from the British prison on Monday afternoon and he's now going to the Northern Mariana Islands to plead guilty and get sentenced to time served. That hearing is at 7 p.m. Eastern Time on Tuesday, less than 24 hours from now, which could be a good time to post a blurb. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- That seems like a reasonable plan. Would temporarily atopping this section until that time be unusual, or would just removing it for now be preferred? Aaron Liu (talk) 02:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is probably unnecessary, as the discussion would likely go on for that long in any case. BD2412 T 02:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I added an alt blurb which is accurate even today as he was already released from the British prison, but the best time to post it would be when the U.S. judge actually approves the deal. And since that's supposed to happen within 24 hours, it should work out well. Johndavies837 (talk) 02:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is probably unnecessary, as the discussion would likely go on for that long in any case. BD2412 T 02:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well that's my bad. The blurb wording had be thinking otherwise. Probably should have taken a look for myself then. Thanks for the correction, I will strike my oppose and make it a support. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- That seems like a reasonable plan. Would temporarily atopping this section until that time be unusual, or would just removing it for now be preferred? Aaron Liu (talk) 02:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Technically he has already gotten out. He was released from the British prison on Monday afternoon and he's now going to the Northern Mariana Islands to plead guilty and get sentenced to time served. That hearing is at 7 p.m. Eastern Time on Tuesday, less than 24 hours from now, which could be a good time to post a blurb. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support the chains of government have been broken Lukt64 (talk) 02:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's neither a credible representation of how this happened, nor a meaningful reason to promote this story to the front page. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment While his article is well sourced, it is overly detailed and has a lot of proseline. It would be nice if that could be cleaned up before tomorrow. --Masem (t) 02:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb which I just added, and post it when the U.S. judge formally approves the deal, which should happen around 7 p.m. ET on Tuesday. Johndavies837 (talk) 02:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think the blurb should use a photo of Assange, not protesters. Johndavies837 (talk) 02:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support posting after the judge in Saipan approves the deal. Noteworthy, he's already out of prison on his way to Saipan and will appear in about 23 hours. Can someone with more memory of ITN archives comment on whether it's normal to use plea bargain as the "outcome" in this sort of blurb, or perhaps should something like "after pleading guilty (to [charge/s])" be used instead? -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until the judge approves, then Support, but with an up-to-date photo of Assange. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I kinda agree. However nobody has uploaded a portrait photo of him newer than 2014 though. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Huh, that's not great either. We can have a temporary picture (either the old photo or the protesters) and hope someone takes a good photo after his release and freely licenses it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I checked flickr. The best images I found are:
- Huh, that's not great either. We can have a temporary picture (either the old photo or the protesters) and hope someone takes a good photo after his release and freely licenses it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I kinda agree. However nobody has uploaded a portrait photo of him newer than 2014 though. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- 2021/2022 Time "Political Prisoner of the Year" cover. Not sure what the copyright status of Time covers are. Uploader claims CC-BY.
- Painting by Anarchimedia, traced over a 2015 video conference photo.
- 2023 Photo of Australian mural taken by Cory Doctorow. Could use some cropping. However, it's debated whether Australia has FoP for murals.
- Aaron Liu (talk) 17:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Not true, Aaron Liu. There's a 2018 portrait photo on Commons, but it's not in focus.Schwede66 10:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- @Schwede66 Could you link it? Aaron Liu (talk) 16:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Aaron Liu, sorry, I had been looking at another main page item before and then got confused; this wasn't about Assange. Schwede66 18:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66 Could you link it? Aaron Liu (talk) 16:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support but wait till judge approves it. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: a few CN tags in the article. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 04:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait. It's a bit more than a formality for this sort of thing. Wait at least until sentencing before putting this on the main page. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb as it more accurately describes what is happening. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb per above, definitely a major development and an internationally recognized headline. Ornithoptera (talk) 04:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait There seem to be at least 3 countries involved in this – Australia, UK and US. His article says that there are significant "legal issues in Australia" so what's their status now? There seems to have been some change in the Australian government position as "The Australian government has been pushing hard for a couple of years now for this case to end". Is this part of the AUKUS deal? And the outcome still seems ongoing as it's conceivable that Assange might skip bail now as he's done it before. I don't think we should focus on the plea bargain as many or most US cases end in some such deal. As there seems to have been some sort of unusual multinational agreement, we should highlight that. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- While I may agree with the rest of your opinion, he won't be skipping bail because there is no bail. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Numerous sources report that he was released from Belmarsh because the High Court in London granted him bail. See the BBC, for example. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- While I may agree with the rest of your opinion, he won't be skipping bail because there is no bail. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - While it's a long-running and occasionally high-focus case, this ending to it is something of a damp squib, and I'm far from convinced it's ITN material. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Criminal gets released from prison - so what. If he got exchanged through a major swap for a russian spy in our custody i'd maybe reconsider my vote, but this is just a minor thing in the grand scheme of things Kasperquickly (talk) 10:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- ...how the hell would Assange even factor into the US "swapping" him for a Russian spy. The US wanted him in prison, not out of prison and was trying to get him from the UK, not Russia. --110.141.157.50 (talk) 10:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Kasperquickly does seem to be having some difficulty telling countries apart - see below for where he seems to be confused between the USA, Iraq, and Russia. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- How would that make event more notable? BilboBeggins (talk) 17:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle as a very significant event. However I have no opinions on the timing of posting given what Andrew & Red-tailed hawk said. Too complicated for me to decide on that. S5A-0043Talk 10:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Wait (lean support) This is a positive development overall, but let's wait until he's actually released and makes a public statement since it's possible that there is the possibility of the deal falling apart or another State indicting him.Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Pleads guilty and has agreed to some dubious terms as part of his release isn't that notable or historic. In addition that the linked article is a dumpster fire, the chilling effect of his conviction (and aforementioned plea deal terms) should have its own article and subsequently blurbed more than anything else.
Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why should the aftermath have its own article? That's like splitting out Collapse of Smile again. I also don't see how that makes the article a dumpster fire, nor why you claim both that the terms aren't notable or historic and that the repercussions are apparently big enough to have their own article at the same time. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed on the contradiction. I'm forecasting, but I still believe the main article is too broad for ITN and if we were to blurb this event it should only be because it's significance is such that it would stand alone on it's own (which it might, and is partially what I'm arguing for here). My apologies if that is confusing.
- This is also a moot argument, consensus appears to have been reached and it'll likely be posted shortly. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why should the aftermath have its own article? That's like splitting out Collapse of Smile again. I also don't see how that makes the article a dumpster fire, nor why you claim both that the terms aren't notable or historic and that the repercussions are apparently big enough to have their own article at the same time. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not that notable. Personisinsterest (talk) 12:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support important event in the western world Oneequalsequalsone (talk · contribs) 12:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Saying that doesn't make it true. I'd be impressed to see even one reliable source that's independent of Assange's fan-club that claims such a thing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Namely, which sources would you want to claim that? Would you also want these sources to say that they're sorry they ignored his situation for the past decade and decided to side with state power or do you also want them to say that Wikileaks did more for their jobs than they did themselves? Oneequalsequalsone (talk · contribs) 16:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think one can fairly say the press has ignored Assange's situation for a decade. It's been covered with reasonable regularity here in the UK. But I also don't think much of "this is a major event in western history - but all possible sources are in the pocket of the state and won't say so". It's definitely in the news - it's a pretty big story - but I don't feel it's of the towering importance people are making it out to be. It's a relatively quiet end to the whole business. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oneequalsequalsone, this makes it sound like your !vote is based on your personal political beliefs, which generally doesn't go very well on Wikipedia. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- All humans have a bias in one way or another. Some feel baseball and ice hockey are important enough to be the top page news, others feel like the end of a decade old saga of the persecution of a reporter that dared to expose violations of human rights and civil liberties by various governments is more important Oneequalsequalsone (talk · contribs) 21:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Namely, which sources would you want to claim that? Would you also want these sources to say that they're sorry they ignored his situation for the past decade and decided to side with state power or do you also want them to say that Wikileaks did more for their jobs than they did themselves? Oneequalsequalsone (talk · contribs) 16:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Saying that doesn't make it true. I'd be impressed to see even one reliable source that's independent of Assange's fan-club that claims such a thing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major world event in terms of the history of freedom of the press, the chilling effect on press freedom and war crimes journalism and research. Boud (talk) 12:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- A major event in the worldwide history of the freedom of the press? How so? He's taken a plea bargain and is being released. No new precedent is established, no great publication is made. This just doesn't have the effect that you're claiming it does. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, eminently significant. QuestFour (talk) 13:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lean support altblurb, more clearly outlines the event but we should wait until there is a definite confirmation from the judge Mr. Lechkar (talk) 14:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It's getting a bunch of news coverage, but the actual significance of this seems limited at best. He's pleading guilty and basically being sentenced to time served. Many events get a short term burst of coverage and we don't post them, mainly for want of significance. This isn't an election, a war, or a natural disaster with a high death toll. It's an interesting case that had the potential to clarify some important aspects of the legal relationship between the press and the state. But it is effectively ending in a tactical draw. Sorry, but I'm just not seeing anything here that warrants a blurb on ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's conclusion of a decade-long saga that was in the news. It has to be posted. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- We are not a news ticker. Just because something gets news coverage doesn't mean it gets posted. What is the practical significance of this? -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
We are not a news ticker
One could make that argument about every ITN item. — hako9 (talk) 23:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- That's why we weigh each item based on its significance. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:38, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- By what metric? If it's based on your personal interpretation of whether it'll be important in the future, then you're violating policy (WP:OR, WP:NOTCRYSTAL). Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's why we weigh each item based on its significance. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:38, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- We are not a news ticker. Just because something gets news coverage doesn't mean it gets posted. What is the practical significance of this? -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's conclusion of a decade-long saga that was in the news. It has to be posted. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Definitely noteworthy. Alexysun (talk) 17:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. It has been going on for almost 15 years, and from time to time it reoccured in the news. So this is very appropriate to include this In the news section. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb, a major headline all over the world, and a continuing story, since the news will certainly continue to cover his coming and going from the CNMI, touchdown in Australia, and any comments he may have after that. This also raises the stakes for some kind of deal with Snowden, and other possible ramifications. BD2412 T 19:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment and oppose — This can now be properly discussed. Per Ad Orientem, I do not see how this is a major conclusion to the Assange saga. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support never thought i’d see this day happen. Good luck Assange Ion.want.uu (talk) 22:34, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's official - The judge sentenced him to time served and said he'll leave the court as a "free man" (Source 1, Source 2) Johndavies837 (talk) 02:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- WaPo may be a better source.
He'll also have Wikileaks destroy the Manning information.Aaron Liu (talk) 02:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- WaPo may be a better source.
- NYT argues that this could set a precedent for prosecuting journalists.
Will try and add to article soon. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)The agreement means that for the first time in American history, gathering and publishing information the government considers secret has been successfully treated as a crime. This new precedent will send a threatening message to national security journalists, who may be chilled in how aggressively they do their jobs because they will see a greater risk of prosecution.
But its reach is also limited, dodging a bigger threat. Because Mr. Assange agreed to a deal, he will not challenge the legitimacy of applying the Espionage Act to his actions. The outcome, then, averts the risk that the case might lead to a definitive Supreme Court ruling blessing prosecutors’ narrow interpretation of First Amendment press freedoms.
- Strong support as this has probably been the longest running case about a cornerstone of democracy in my lifetime. Wikipedia was able to move a step closer to its goal of making the sum of human knowledge accessible due to Assange's efforts. All readers should be invited to ponder how they feel about his plea and release. Connor Behan (talk) 02:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait Article has some serious(?) citation overkill issues. That's not a Hard Wait, mind you. But it is something for at least one of you fixers to think about fixing, before or after it's posted (and possibly pictured). InedibleHulk (talk) 02:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support I would be interested in knowing if it has been widely reported in the US, but it is front page news in Australia. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support ALT per above. The Kip (contribs) 06:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle inasmuch as there are outstanding issues with the article This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. There is no lasting significance to this. I can see that it's fodder for the press, who like a good story, and this one's unusual given his lengthy stay in the Ecuadorian embassy and subsequent incarceration. We've been treated to such breaking headlines as "His feet have hit Australian soil". But ultimately it's just one man, he was neither exonerated nor treated unduly harshly by the US government and this isn't the kind of thing that would usually be covered in ITN, any more than the Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination was, or other things that generate a lot of heat on the news tickers. — Amakuru (talk) 10:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- No amount of findings that he has endured torture are enough for some people. Connor Behan (talk) 14:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- We are here to showcase quality articles and writing on current, analyzed events. We are not here to decide whether people have endured our own arbitrary standard of torture that we have not experienced. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- While the definition of torture is not arbitrary, we are indeed not here to adjudicate that. What we are here to do is point out that !votes are not votes. I.e. that they count for less when they include claims that reliable sources reveal to be false or misleading. Connor Behan (talk) 21:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
nor treated unduly harshly by the US government
; I mean the CIA was actively trying to assassinate him as recently as 2017 [1]. Curbon7 (talk) 22:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)- Jeepers, this is 60s-style stuff. Bremps... 17:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are important global issues arising from the case, some of which affect us as Wikipedia editors directly. The most important is that the United States insists that its laws apply world-wide, even to foreign citizens who have never set foot in the United States. This is especially problematic in the the US ranks lower than any than any other Western country on the World Press Freedom Index. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- It smokes Mexico, soundly beats Greece and narrowly outclasses Liberia (unless you're of the opinion that anywhere less "free" than the U.S. isn't "West enough"). InedibleHulk (talk) 18:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: half a million views on 25 June, before his release. Biggest spike of interest in a decade, except for early 2019. Definitely of huge interest. Boud (talk) 11:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's own readership levels are not a reliable news source. Please stop citing them in these sorts of discussions. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lord Kelvin is featured on the main page today. The article quotes his maxim that "when you can measure what you are speaking about and express it in numbers you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind..." Andrew🐉(talk) 21:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's own readership levels are not a reliable news source. Please stop citing them in these sorts of discussions. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, alt-blurb. It's a pretty significant event, with Assange being able to come out and meet friends/family etc after serving over five years in prison. This isn't some event where there is lots of news on a day then nothing the next.[2][3] — AP 499D25 (talk) 13:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt-blurb - I think the nominator here, Aaron Liu, lays out a good case that this latest development in the Julian Assange/Wikileaks story is deserving of ITN/blurb level status. The relevant article continues to be (for the most part) reliability updated. - 14:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trauma Novitiate (talk • contribs)
- Marking as Ready Full disclosure: I am opposed to this nomination. However being objective, the discussion has been open long enough and there is a solid consensus in favor of posting. I found two CN tags on an otherwise solidly sourced article, neither of which are enough IMO to stop posting. This is good to go. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- AO, I appreciate your input here. I am also opposed to the nomination, but I share your appraisal that it's both well-supported and of suitable quality. Thank you for being measured and constructive. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt-blurb - Agree with AO, it’s ready to post. Jusdafax (talk) 18:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. It's a major change to a prominent article based on recent events. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: Aaron Liu (talk) 20:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted I shall action that. Schwede66 21:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Susana Ruiz Cerutti[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Nacion, Perfil
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Argentine former Minister of Foreign Affairs and Worship, ambassador to Switzerland and Canada --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Looks good enough. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 07:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Shifty Shellshock[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Billboard, Deadline Hollywood
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:4CD4:EE72:33C0:82D7 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Damien Linnane (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American singer and frontman of Crazy Town. 240F:7A:6253:1:4CD4:EE72:33C0:82D7 (talk) 14:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Oppose article is CN and OR tagged. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 08:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Support issues have been rectified. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 04:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)- Support there are two cn tags but otherwise okay article. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Frederick Crews[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American essayist and literary critic. Death announced 24 June. Thriley (talk) 06:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, once the honors and awards section is fully cited. Otherwise looks to be in good shape. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 13:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - article is well-sourced and the citations are reliable. There does seem to be a lot of focus on Crews’s disavowal of Freud and psychoanalysis. I’m unsure whether it does or does not deserve a prominent place in the article. Also, as Classicwiki points out, the short section on “Honors and awards” lacks citations, but that should not necessarily keep this RD from being posted. The other citations in the article back up many of these already. If I have time, I’ll try to get to these. - Trauma Novitiate (talk) 14:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Stanley Cup[edit]
Blurb: In ice hockey, the Florida Panthers defeat the Edmonton Oilers to win the Stanley Cup Finals (Conn Smythe Trophy winner Connor McDavid pictured). (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)
- Created by The Kip (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Deadman137 (talk · give credit), Conyo14 (talk · give credit), Buffalkill (talk · give credit), Modest Genius (talk · give credit) and Ho-ju-96 (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Article looks good to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support As an editor on this article, we've been hard at work making sure it's up to par for ITN, and I believe it now is. However, having Florida captain Aleksander Barkov as the photo may be a better choice, given McDavid isn't on the Panthers. The Kip (contribs) 04:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- A precedent has been set which the championship MVP is pictured and mentioned (check the archive from June 17). Connor McDavid just happens to be an outlier, being the 6th overall player and 2nd skater to win the trophy without winning the cup. Additionally, the previous player, Jean-Sébastien Giguère did it when there was only 100,000 articles in the English Wikipedia. LosAnaheimFan 5 (talk) 06:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with The Kip. The pictured player should be from the winning team, that's the story here, we're not blirbing the fact that someone won the MVP award specifically. And the captain is as good a choice as any. — Amakuru (talk) 09:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- The head coach, goalie or game-winning goal scorer are all better choices, if we must ignore tradition. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with The Kip. The pictured player should be from the winning team, that's the story here, we're not blirbing the fact that someone won the MVP award specifically. And the captain is as good a choice as any. — Amakuru (talk) 09:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- A precedent has been set which the championship MVP is pictured and mentioned (check the archive from June 17). Connor McDavid just happens to be an outlier, being the 6th overall player and 2nd skater to win the trophy without winning the cup. Additionally, the previous player, Jean-Sébastien Giguère did it when there was only 100,000 articles in the English Wikipedia. LosAnaheimFan 5 (talk) 06:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article quality seems sufficient for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support—And speaking as an Edmontonian who roots for the Oilers: congrats, Panthers! You really earned it. (As an aside, I'm neutral re. the image used, and open to being persuaded either way.) Kurtis (talk) 04:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. It's an American team winning a Canadian trophy, what else is new? LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 05:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have any actual reason to oppose, or can we safely disregard this comment? The Kip (contribs) 06:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I mean... why run a story about sports championships if each and single year they happen without fault? It would be better if there was a story about it NOT happening. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 06:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- If you want to argue this, you could open a discussion on the talk page to remove sports from ITNR, but ITNR lists many different sporting events, so that may be a difficult proposal. The entire purpose of ITNR is for "recurring" events that are in the news. ITN is not only for "special events/disasters". Natg 19 (talk) 06:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I mean... why run a story about sports championships if each and single year they happen without fault? It would be better if there was a story about it NOT happening. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 06:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have any actual reason to oppose, or can we safely disregard this comment? The Kip (contribs) 06:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article's quality is more than enough for ITN, and, of course, the victor of the Stanley Cup has been featured in ITN many, many times. IncompA 06:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is good and the Stanley Cup Finals are posted every year. Hungry403 (talk) 08:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support (oppose image) McDavid didn't even accept the award, and the article is about the Stanley cup championship not the opposing teams captain. Historically, the MVP has typically gone to a member of the winning team but given the incredibly competitive nature of this series I suppose it makes sense why the league would decide to deviate from the norm. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support (oppose image) Article is good, topic is noteworthy enough to warrant being highlighted on the front page. McDavid winning the Conn Smythe is worth being mentioned, but the image used should be of a Flames player instead. RPH (talk) 15:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- McDavid or the Panthers logo It's always been standard to picture the MVP. We skipped the NBA one this year, but that's only because a beautiful lynx appeared. Unlike that cat, there's no good reason to arbitrarily highlight any Panther who didn't win an individual award (or a Calgary Flames player). InedibleHulk (talk) 16:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is a Support Vote, in case that wasn't clear; the article looks typically fine. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, ideally with Aleksander Barkov as the photo, or perhaps Sergei Bobrovski. Barkov being the captain of the champion club should be the easiest to swing though. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:34, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 22:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. There is clear consensus to post the blurb text. I've posted without the photograph, since there still seems to be unresolved discussion on which photograph should be used (if any); additional conversation could be useful in attaining consensus specifically on that point. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 02:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I must insist (vainly or not), since the main or only reason for picturing the guy who didn't hold the Oilers to one or score a point at all that night is his general association with the Panthers, we use the free picture of him wearing a Panthers uniform, not whatever getup he has on there. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Late Oppose Like too many sport events, this is filled with jargon that make it unnaproachable to the average reader. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 03:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is probably biased but there is so much more jargon that could be added. Instead of what we have, we could have "In ice hockey, the Florida Panthers (captain Aleksander Barkov pictured) defeat the Edmonton Oilers to win the Stanley Cup Finals, after winning Game 7 at home, in regulation. Edmonton forward Connor McDavid won the Conn Smythe Trophy." Maybe we could omit the Oilers part but that is important information. LosAnaheimFan 5 (talk) 06:38, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- This isn't the Simple English Wikipedia - if we wrote all of our articles solely in wording known to an average English-speaker, our articles would be nearly bare of content. Most sports articles inherently presume at least a degree of familiarity with the sport in question, and if there's no familiarity, there's plenty of Wikilinks to help establish it. Jargon is fine so long as it's not excessive, and this article certainly isn't. The Kip (contribs) 06:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's moot, but phrases like "scored backhand on a breakaway chance" (which is not wikilinked) are contrary to WP:MOS for Jargon. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 12:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Breakaway is Wikilinked now. Not in that instance, but in Game 3, where it appears first. I didn't link backhand, but if you can appreciate how the blade of a hockey stick has two sides and players usually shoot with one, I think you can deduce from there. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's moot, but phrases like "scored backhand on a breakaway chance" (which is not wikilinked) are contrary to WP:MOS for Jargon. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 12:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's fine. I have no real knowledge of ice hockey at all, and I can understand the article without any problems. Usually issues arise when editors use sporting slang rather than jargon, and this one doesn't. Black Kite (talk) 07:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Filled was an exaggeration, much like your !vote at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/June 2024 § (Posted) 2024 NBA Finals. I suggest just identifying the individual cases for someone to improve.—Bagumba (talk) 20:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. I know comparatively little about cricket but watering down the Indian Premier League article to the point of tedium because of novices like me isn't in the best interest of Wikipedia (I read that article and while I don't 100% understand everything in it I think it's fine. Same with articles on other, non-sports topics; there's a certain base level of topic-specific language that can't be avoided. This Stanley Cup article is solid. It paints a colorful picture of what happened in a short space. -Pats2017 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Aricell battery factory fire[edit]
Blurb: A fire at a lithium battery factory in the South Korean city of Hwaseong kills at least 22 migrant workers, most of them Chinese nationals. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, NY Times, CNN, Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
- Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
Ainty Painty (talk) 17:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Ainty Painty: I just changed the tense per WP:ITNBLURB. Would you like to include "at a lithium battery factory" in the blurb as well? Aaron Liu (talk) 00:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- What do you think? Do you want to change it too? If yes, do or you can suggest an alt blurb. Ainty Painty (talk) 03:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Significant death toll. 2607:F2C0:EA85:FCE0:3CC9:CD90:4853:1B66 (talk) 10:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support – large number of deaths. However though,
at least 22 migrant workers
is wrong, as the article states 2 South Koreans were among the casualties. Thus I suggest, "A fire at a lithium battery factory in the South Korean city of Hwaseong kills at least 22 workers, including 19 migrants, most of them Chinese nationals.". — AP 499D25 (talk) 12:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC) - Support if updates are made. Very tragic accident. 17 Chineses, 6 Koreans dead (1 from Laos but changed nationality to Korea). Didgogns (talk) 13:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. No indication of significance. This was not a notable factory, there were no notable people involved, and there have yet to be any societal ramifications. Ping me if China sanctions South Korea or something. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. The high death toll makes it notable enough for the ITN. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 07:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The article gives no indication that this will have a lasting impact, and does not mention any major response (such as new legislation) to the fire. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. This one slipped under the radar a bit, but with five supports (including the nom) and two opposes, there's consensus to post. Article in decent enough shape too. — Amakuru (talk) 11:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
June 23[edit]
June 23, 2024
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(Posted) RD: Dennis Deer[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 16:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Referenced, good depth of coverage. SpencerT•C 06:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Sergeant Cecil[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Racing Post, At the Races
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
British racehorse. Needs some inline citations. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support sure it needs some inline citations, otherwise article good enough to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Dagestan attack[edit]
Blurb: In Dagestan, Russia, 27 people die in a coordinated attack. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Islamic terrorists stage a number of attacks across Dagestan, Russia, killing 21 people and injuring dozens of others
Alternative blurb II: Islamic terrorists attack a number of locations, including a church, and a synagogue, across Dagestan, Russia, killing 21 people and injuring dozens of others
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit)
- Created by PLATEL (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Wait Article is barely more than a stub at this point, and situation is still quite vague.Kcmastrpc (talk) 19:54, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alt As more details have emerged this has been headline news for nearly 24h and the story is still developing. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. No indication of significance. This should be a bullet point in a list of terrorist incidents in Russia, not an article featured on the main page. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:21, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- We've posted terrorist incidents in the us where like 4 people died even thought hundreds die every day in Chiraq
- An islamist attack with 10 deaths and a burned synagogue and a church is clearly significant, even if you think otherwise Kasperquickly (talk) 20:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Casually throwing around the term "Chiraq" isn't exactly something indicative of an editor fit for Wikipedia. The Kip (contribs) 20:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is the equivalent of saying hundreds die everyday in Ukraine, so an attack where 10 people died isn't significant. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 23:41, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's in the context of the war. The ISIS insurgency in the North Caucasus doesn't usually have attacks like this Personisinsterest (talk) 10:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't care how many people died, and I don't care what we've posted in the past. Neither of those are relevant to whether this has any encyclopedic significance. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- At least 15 police officers died, around 30 people overall. Of course it's a significant attack. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Oppose Very short article, and seems comparatively minor in the grand scheme of terrorist attacks.The Kip (contribs) 20:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)- Changing to Support, the article’s been expanded and since my initial comment the death toll’s increased from seven to 27. The Kip (contribs) 17:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
* Wait Article needs expansion, but otherwise significant enough. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 01:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Significant event. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 14:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support 28 deaths are enough Braganza (talk) 05:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability but it is wise to wait until the article is of higher quality and more information is known. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for more information on the perpetrators and aftermath. Jaguarnik (talk) 07:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Major attack. Harizotoh9 (talk) 09:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Deadly terrorist attacks targeting religious buildings (churches and a synagogue) are a very big deal.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support a tragic attack targeted against specific people and a large death toll. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment given events Russia is involved with the blurb needs more clarity as to who dud the attacks or their intent. Eg this appears to not be tied to the Ukraine conflict directly. Masem (t) 16:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Gave it a go with 2 altblurbs. Note that I've purposefully foregone the mention of 6 dead terrorists because I don't think it's fair to count them among the people that they've murdered Kasperquickly (talk) 17:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Forgor to vote. clearly a significant event. Kasperquickly (talk) 17:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I oppose the proposed Alts at this time. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 17:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alt2 Article meets the minimum requirement. — hako9 (talk) 19:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alt2 article is ready to be posted. Traumnovelle (talk) 23:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt1 which seems more concise and I don't think the church part is that important. Aaron Liu (talk) 00:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think it kind of is since most people apparently died there, plus they've cut the head of a priest off. More to the point i've actually only added that part because wikipedia has already had individual articles for bot hthe church and the synagogue attacked and i wanted them included in the blurb. Kasperquickly (talk) 10:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- An independently notable person died. Add to blurb? Bremps... 18:01, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- The blurb already rolled off the main page, replaced by the South Korea plant fire. Natg 19 (talk) 18:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
June 22[edit]
June 22, 2024
(Saturday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Disasters and accidents
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(Posted) RD: Howard Bernstein[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Manchester Evening News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by M2Ys4U (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
British politician. Manchester City Council chief executive. --Classicwiki (talk) 10:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article seems to be of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The second paragraph in the "History" section needs a source but apart from that, the article structure looks reasonable enough. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 21:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Midori No Sora, I have added some additional sources. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:51, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Classicwiki, looks better now! 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 08:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Midori No Sora, I have added some additional sources. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:51, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks alright now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Midori No Sora or @PrinceofPunjab, would you mind marking ready? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 08:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Coverage of the subject's life could use some elaboration in the main prose (with references) on his earlier career before becoming chief executive. --PFHLai (talk) 11:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just to be clear - he's not a politician, he's a civil servant. This is not an elected position. Secretlondon (talk) 09:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Administrator note Removing the Ready tag. Looks like several honors are not sourced. That will need to be corrected before this can be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem, take a look now and let me know if there are still issues. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 05:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 07:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
[Reviewers needed] RD: Kamala Hampana[edit]
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deccan Herald, The Hindu
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Indian writer. Still needs citations. --Classicwiki (talk) 10:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment still not ready. Doubt it will be updated in time. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 05:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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