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Robert Redford American actor and filmmaker Robert Redford (pictured) dies at the age of 89. In television, The Studio wins best comedy and The Pitt wins best drama at the Primetime Emmy Awards. After widespread protests, Sushila Karki is appointed interim Prime Minister of Nepal, replacing K. P. Sharma Oli. Former Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro is sentenced to 27 years in prison for his involvement in a coup plot. Ongoing: Gaza war Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Fred Kirschenmann Kwadwo Safo Kantanka Isabel Rilvas Hermeto Pascoal Kim Seong-min Inge Brück view — page history — related changes — edit

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September 19

Portal:Current events/2025 September 19

September 19, 2025 (2025-09-19) (Friday)

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RD/Blurb: Zubeen Garg

Article: Zubeen Garg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Indian singer and actor Zubeen Garg (pictured) dies at the age of 52. (Post)
News source(s): Firstpost
Credits:

• Nominated by BengalMC (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

• Oppose blurb, neutral on RD - article does not show how he was transformative or influential in his field. Not sure on the reliability of Firstpost. ^EF⁵ 12:41, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, support RD While i agree that he isn't much influental singer as many of UK or US ones, the posting as RD looks sufficient at least. It also confirmed at Times of India. 182.1.232.72 (talk) 12:49, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

since the article is being heavily edited rn, im pretty sure that eventually new sources will form talking about his journey and influence BengalMC (talk) 12:51, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Edited the nomination to be in line with the rest. 5.57.242.223 (talk) 13:20, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

  • Not ready, filmography largely unreferenced. Spotted several uncited statements which I've marked. Once fixed, I support RD only. 5.57.242.223 (talk) 13:37, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment If this is to be blurbed, there needs to be a significant amount of reasons why he was considered a major figure (accidental death from scuba diving, I don't makes "death as the story" here). The sources that I am seeing about his death, even though there are tributes made, aren't the same type of level I'd expect for a major entertainment figure, but I could be wrong. Masem (t) 13:44, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan defence pact

Article: Strategic Mutual Defense Agreement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Saudi Arabia and Pakistan signed a defense agreement under which aggression against either would be considered against both. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Bloomberg, CNN, DW, Reuters, WSJ, AP, FT
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Created by Noorhorse (talk · give credit)

 Ainty Painty (talk) 03:42, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Such pacts are extremely common, and doesn't significantly change the politics in the area. Masem (t) 03:56, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

  I'm not convinced this should be posted, but I'll play devil's advocate:

  International agreements of various sorts frequently get signed, including partnership agreements, but just how common are actual mutual defense pacts of this sort? The article Defense pact only lists five after 1992, with this being one of them. It's possible that the list is incomplete, but that doesn't seem "extremely common". 98.170.164.88 (talk) 04:34, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment This is similar to the Australia/PNG pact in that it extends and formalises existing close relations. And it's being made public to deter potential aggressors. The specific trigger seems to be the recent Israeli strike on Doha which the US did nothing about. The target article doesn't comment on the weakening of US credibility as a security guarantor in the region – a point which appears in the sources. Such implications and ramifications take time to work out in practice so, like the Australia/PNG case, I'm not sure we should headline this as a big announcement. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:27, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. 5.57.242.223 (talk) 08:45, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support - This is the creation of a new nuclear umbrella.[1] I don't really know what could be bigger news in international relations. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 13:21, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Detention and deportation of American citizens in the second Trump administration

Article: Detention and deportation of American citizens in the second Trump administration (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Among ongoing detentions and deportations of American citizens in the second Trump administration, fifteen New York State elected officials are mass arrested in New York City. (Post)
News source(s): Wired, New York Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Very Polite Person (talk · give credit)
• Created by Remember (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is an ongoing story in the news that just keeps going and getting worse; just look at the history here of the full article. This new development, I just saw in the news. This is a huge escalation of things it seems in US politics after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Please look here for the particular new development: Detention and deportation of American citizens in the second Trump administration#Mass arrest of New York officials by ICE (15). Thanks. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 03:17, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support The mass arrest of state officials is unusual and notable. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:26, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose This is not the first time that state officials have been arrested in trying to check up on detained immigrants held in ICE centers (last time they were only held for a few hours or overnight, so it was just for show). Its also far from the biggest news related to US politics right now, that being the attack on the First Amendment via the cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel's show (which I'm not suggesting should be posted because its US politics and of NTRUMP). Masem (t) 03:55, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

I was surprised that no one nominated the cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel's show. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:28, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

We should say "suspension," not "cancellation," at least as far as we know so far, for accuracy's sake, right? Ryan Reeder (talk) 04:48, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Its a news story but not really yet at the stage of being an encyclopedic article because what's happened after rests on a whole bunch of hypotheticals, opinions, and informed analysis. Many possible ends of this story would just be fizzling out of the news, while some I can see as potentially being far more encyclopedic and ITN worthy. That's the difficulty with most stories that involve politics, there's no clear endpoint to say if it is really significant from the long-term, encyclopedic view compared with the short-term, daily coverage and endless talking heads of the media. Masem (t) 05:05, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose The New York Times article makes clear this isn't a "mass arrest" so much as a political stunt. Brad Lander, one of those arrested, used this same tactic in June with the same result. The blurb is inaccurate, and arrests of trespassers in federal buildings is not notable. Dr Fell (talk) 04:05, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Ongoing The nomination says that this is an ongoing story and they are right. So, this should be an ongoing nomination. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:30, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
• Re Charlie Kirk': since his blurb was bumped off ITN, shouldn't he appear in RD? 188.27.82.108 (talk) 07:16, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

You can bring this up on WP:ERRORS. 5.57.242.223 (talk) 08:39, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't. This is how ITN works. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:14, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose per Masem. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:02, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

September 18

Portal:Current events/2025 September 18

September 18, 2025 (2025-09-18) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

• Middle Eastern crisis
  • Gaza war
    • At least 50 Palestinians are killed in Israeli attacks across the Gaza Strip, including 40 killed in Gaza City. (Al Jazeera)
    • A Jordanian truck driver bringing aid to the Gaza Strip kills two Israeli military personnel before being fatally shot by security personnel at the Allenby Bridge. (Reuters)
    • The United States casts its sixth veto over a draft United Nations Security Council resolution calling for a permanent ceasefire in Gaza, the lifting of Israeli restrictions on aid, and the release of all hostages. (Reuters)
  • Red Sea crisis
    • A Houthi drone attack damages a hotel in Eilat, Israel. (Jerusalem Post) (Reuters)
• Insurgency in Balochistan
  • Two security personnel are killed and twenty-three others are injured when a suicide car bomb targets a security convoy in Turbat, Balochistan, Pakistan. Meanwhile, six people are killed in a separate car bombing in Chaman. (AP)

Disasters and accidents

• At least ten people are killed and 25 others are injured when a fire breaks out in a high-rise office building in Lagos, Nigeria. (BBC News)
• Three people, including musician Brett James, are killed when James's Cirrus SR22T aircraft crashes near Macon County Airport in North Carolina, United States. (Aviation Safety Network) (WZTV-TV)

International relations

• Poland–Ukraine relations, 2025 Russian drone incursion into Poland
  • Ukraine announces it will train Polish troops and engineers in counter-drone operations following recent Russian drone incursions into Polish airspace. (Al Jazeera)
• Syria–United States relations
  • Syrian foreign minister Asaad al-Shaibani visits Washington, D.C. to attend meetings with the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, and to meet with Israeli delegations and U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, marking the first time a Syrian official has visited the United States in 25 years. (AP)

Law and crime

• Egypt's Interior Ministry reports that a 3,000-year-old gold bracelet belonging to the pharaoh Amenemope, missing from the Egyptian Museum in Cairo, was stolen, extracted, and sold, with several suspects arrested. (BBC News)
• Iraq receives 47 French nationals previously detained in northeast Syria on suspicion of Islamic State membership for prosecution on terrorism charges. (AP)

Politics and elections

• 2025 Albanian parliamentary election
  • Albanian prime minister Edi Rama begins an unprecedented fourth term following the Socialist Party's victory in the last election. (Reuters)
• Censorship in the Maldives
  • Maldivian president Mohamed Muizzu ratifies the Media and Broadcasting Regulation Law, which allows fines, license suspensions, and closures of media outlets found in violation of its provisions. (AP)
• Bulgarian prime minister Rosen Zhelyazkov's government survives their fifth vote of no-confidence this year over alleged failures to reform the justice and security sectors, with 133 lawmakers opposing and 101 supporting the motion. (Reuters)

Science and technology

• In the United States, automaker Toyota recalls over 590,000 vehicles due to a software failure for its dashboard that hides vehicle speed, braking status, and tire pressure warnings. Meanwhile, Hyundai recalls over 568,000 Palisades due to seatbelt buckle failures. (AP) (Yahoo! Autos)

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RD: Robo Shankar

Article: Robo Shankar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News18
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:90F9:C008:C443:650B (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Espenthordsen (talk · give credit) and DareshMohan (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Tamil actor, comedian and producer. 240F:7A:6253:1:90F9:C008:C443:650B (talk) 21:37, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Charles Guthrie, Baron Guthrie of Craigiebank

Article: Charles Guthrie, Baron Guthrie of Craigiebank (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph
Credits:

• Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Field Marshal Lord Guthrie of Craigiebank QalasQalas (talk) 20:49, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

WP:THESUN is a deprecated source. Kire1975 (talk) 21:25, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

I fixed Thank you. QalasQalas (talk) 22:09, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment The article relies heavily on Who's Who (UK), which is marked as generally unreliable at RSP (see WP:WHOSWHO). Curbon7 (talk) 23:54, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

  I'd have to withdraw if I hadn't been found independent and reliable sources. QalasQalas (talk) 01:31, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Fausto Amodei

Article: Fausto Amodei (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Lastampa
Credits:

• Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A founder of "Cantacronache" and voice of civil and political protest. QalasQalas (talk) 20:49, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) US state visit to UK

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2025 state visit by Donald Trump to the United Kingdom (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A technology deal is signed between the US and the UK. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ US President Trump makes his second state visit to the United Kingdom.
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Chorchapu (talk · give credit)
• Created by No Swan So Fine (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A tech deal was signed during Trump's state visit; it's in all the news in the US. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 14:20, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

• In the US I don't see this getting "all the news"-type coverage; Jimmy Kimmel getting (wrongfully) yanked by the FCC is getting way more coverage. ^EF⁵ 14:21, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

On AP, it's the second big article (Live updates: Trump and Starmer sign tech deal worth billions of dollars), on the Guardian US the visit is also the second (Live: Trump suggests Starmer use military to stop illegal immigration and repeats wind power attacks), on CNN it's the first item on the left (During press conference with Starmer, Trump says Putin ‘let me down’), on NBC it's on top (Trump's UK visit gets political after royal pageantry), and on NPR it's in the second row (Starmer says he and Trump talked about support for Ukraine, pressure on Russia). While on many of these the Kimmel story is higher or bigger it's a big international deal in a big, highly-reported-on state visit that lots of people and news sites are talking about. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 15:10, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose no clear indication that this is really "historic", and instead seems more along the same negotiations on tariffs and investments from this admin. Masem (t) 14:40, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose it's not even mentioned in the linked article. Secretlondon (talk) 14:42, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. Is there anything about this deal that makes it particularly notable? It seems to just be one of many that occur globally all the time. Even the linked article isn’t specifically about it and it’s already overly detailed imo. La Ovo (talk) 14:44, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose no evidence that it's actually historic, not even mentioned at target article, and even if it was, it'd likely be a minimal paragraph of content. Doesn't meet WP:ITNSIGNIF. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:05, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support The state visit is in the news in a big way for a number of reasons (the ceremonial flyover passed over our house yesterday!). It just needs a broader blurb and so I've suggested an alt. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:16, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose and snow close a president visiting another country is usual and not ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:32, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Bog standard state visit, nothing really out of the ordinary here. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 15:34, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

September 17

Portal:Current events/2025 September 17

September 17, 2025 (2025-09-17) (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

• Gaza war
  • Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip
    • 2025 Gaza City offensive
      • More than 83 Palestinians are killed in Israeli strikes and attacks across Gaza, including at least 61 of them in Gaza City. (Al Jazeera)
      • Israeli troops and tanks advance into the Sheikh Radwan district of Gaza City as the ground offensive continues. (BBC News)
• Somali Civil War
  • American airstrikes in Somalia
    • USAFRICOM claims that the airstrike conducted on September 12 in Badhan in the Sanaag region of Puntland which targeted a traditional elder accused of being an Al-Shabaab member, was executed in coordination with the Somali federal government. (Hiiraan Online) (AFRICOM)
• 2025 Cambodian–Thai border crisis
  • At least 28 people are injured as Cambodian protesters clash with Thai security forces in a disputed border area between Banteay Meanchey, Cambodia, and Sa Kaeo, Thailand, raising tensions despite a ceasefire agreement. (AP)
• Islamist insurgency in Niger
  • Gunmen on motorbikes kill 22 people in Takoubatt, Tillabéri Region, Niger, most of whom were attending a baptism ceremony. (BBC News) (Report)

Arts and culture

• Firings related to comments on the assassination of Charlie Kirk
  • American late-night talk show Jimmy Kimmel Live! is suspended indefinitely by its broadcast network ABC, following comments by its host regarding Charlie Kirk's killing, which sparked criticism and threats from the Federal Communications Commission. (AP)

Disasters and accidents

• Five UN police officers from the Democratic Republic of the Congo in a MINUSCA convoy are killed when their armored personnel carrier crashes and rolls into a river while crossing a bridge near Bangui, Central African Republic. (AP)

Health and environment

• 2025 European heatwaves
  • The Copernicus Climate Change Service reports that at least 53 percent of Europe experienced droughts in August, the highest level recorded since records began in 2012. (AFP via France 24)

International relations

• Australia–Papua New Guinea relations
  • Australian prime minister Anthony Albanese and Papua New Guinean prime minister James Marape sign a communiqué in Port Moresby confirming agreement on a mutual defence treaty after earlier plans to sign the treaty failed. (Reuters)
• Israel–European Union relations
  • The European Union outlines a set of sanctions against Israeli settlers and Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and far-right national security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir and urges the 27 member states to issue these sanctions to freeze European assets and ban inter-EU travel. (AP)
• Pakistan–Saudi Arabia relations
  • Pakistani prime minister Shehbaz Sharif and Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman sign a mutual defense pact in Riyadh. (Al Jazeera)

Law and crime

• Mass shootings in the United States
  • 2025 North Codorus Township shooting
    • Three police officers are killed and two are critically injured in a mass shooting when a gunman opens fire during a search warrant at a farm in North Codorus Township, Pennsylvania, United States. The perpetrator is also killed. (WCAU-TV)
• 2025 Indonesian protests
  • Indonesia's Constitutional Court rules that parliament followed proper procedure in passing amendments to the military law, rejecting a petition that sought to annul the amendments. (Reuters)
• Greece suspends the extradition of Moldovan businessman and politician Vladimir Plahotniuc, who is wanted in Moldova over a 2014 bank fraud case. (Reuters)

Politics and elections

• Conflict in the Niger Delta
  • Nigerian president Bola Tinubu lifts the state of emergency in Rivers State and reinstates Governor Siminalayi Fubara and state lawmakers after six months of federal control imposed during a political crisis and oil pipeline vandalism. (AP)
• Flood control projects controversy in the Philippines
  • Philippine House Speaker Martin Romualdez resigns over his alleged involvement in the flood control controversy, with former deputy speaker Bojie Dy elected as the next speaker of the House of Representatives. (Bloomberg) (DZRH)

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RD: Daniela Hammer-Tugendhat

Article: Daniela Hammer-Tugendhat (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): archiweb
Credits:

• Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Austrian art historian and mother of Lukas Hammer. QalasQalas (talk) 01:19, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Giuseppe Maria Reina

Article: Giuseppe Maria Reina (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Corriere Etneo
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Scia Della Cometa (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Italy & San Marino Friend (talk · give credit) and Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Stubby, but can be expanded using its Italian equivalent. — Knightoftheswords 19:26, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• But who is going to expand it? (you?) We should not be posting stubs at RD. Natg 19 (talk) 21:59, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Comment - article has been expanded. — Knightoftheswords 17:48, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Jacob Thoomkuzhy

Article: Jacob Thoomkuzhy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by 151.197.28.134 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 103.166.244.156 (talk · give credit), ഭീകരൻ (talk · give credit), 45dogs (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is quite stubby, but can be expanded with its Vietnamese equivalent. — Knightoftheswords 19:18, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Comment: the nomination instructions above indicate that articles should be brought up to postable standard before they are nominated. If you know that the quality is insufficient, don't make a nomination unless/until the quality has been improved and you think it meets the minimum requirements. A 67-word stub is clearly not ready for posting. Modest Genius ^talk 13:44, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

@Admins willing to post ITN: I've expanded the article, it should be ready atm. — Knightoftheswords 16:53, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Abdul Gani Bhat

Article: Abdul Gani Bhat (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kashmir Life
Credits:

• Nominated by QuicoleJR (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Academic and Kashmiri separatist. Article is long enough and fully sourced. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:28, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Global Sumud Flotilla

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Global Sumud Flotilla (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Post, BBC, Al Jazeera, France 24, AP, El País, Reuters, Independent, ToI, The Guardian, CNN,
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

 Ainty Painty (talk) 03:01, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose as ongoing, as this would already be covered by the Gaza ongoing. If this was meant to cover the drone strike (given the sources listed), that was last week (Sept 9) and that would make this very stale as a news item. Masem (t) 03:22, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as covered by ongoing. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:47, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. Depending on what the end result is, it might be worth blurbing, but that will be a while. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 06:02, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Suggest that it's unlikely to be blurbworthy whatever the case, given that it's covered by ongoing, and we may soon have another Gaza blurb This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:06, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose - definitely covered by ongoing, and if it were not, I would not consider this activity in itself to be anything like significant enough to merit a slot in Ongoing for itself. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:58, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• I feel like this kind of article would've been a better "ongoing" target than our indefinite war articles. I like how it's specific and I would love to be able to feature the work that is being put into this article. I think it would be a lot more helpful to readers to feature articles like these than to feature the largest-scale article possible. Sadly, currently, we don't really have a space for this kind of ongoing subject. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:14, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  Its not even a good ongoing, which is meant for stories with near daily news coverage and updates. This flotilla pops up in the news every now and then but definitely nowhere close to that daily coverage we expect. Masem (t) 12:00, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. Mayyybe we could blurb it if something major happens with the current one but definitely not an ongoing and we'd do the article about the specific flottilla.. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 13:12, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. A minor part of the humanitarian response to the Gaza war, and one that hasn't even reached its destination. No major ramifications yet, and I doubt there ever will be. Modest Genius ^talk 15:17, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Snow close I don't see this nomination reaching consensus to post. Bremps... 17:08, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

September 16

Portal:Current events/2025 September 16

September 16, 2025 (2025-09-16) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

• Gaza war
  • Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip
    • 2025 Gaza City offensive
      • The Israeli military formally launches a ground offensive against Hamas in Gaza City as 75 people are killed by Israeli airstrikes, most in Gaza City, with thousands of others evacuating. (Reuters)
  • Gaza genocide
    • An independent United Nations commission of inquiry publishes a report that "finds that Israel is responsible for the commission of genocide in Gaza," listing four of the five genocidal acts defined under international law carried out by Israel against the Palestinian people during the war. (UN News) (BBC News)
• Kivu conflict
  • Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict, M23 campaign
    • M23 rebels hold a military parade of newly-trained recruits in eastern Congolese towns captured by the rebels in an offensive months prior. (AP)
• Red Sea crisis
  • Israeli attacks on Yemen
    • The Israel Air Force bombs at least ten Houthi targets near Hudaydah Port in Al Hudaydah, Yemen. The sites targeted by the airstrikes reportedly include a command center and locations used to smuggle weapons from Iran. (The Jerusalem Post)
• Russian invasion of Ukraine
  • United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine
    • The Trump administration approves its first weapons aid packages for Ukraine. This is the first use of a new mechanism to supply Ukraine with weapons from U.S. stocks using funds from NATO countries. (Reuters)
• War in the Sahel
  • Mali War
    • Jama'at Nasr al-Islam wal Muslimin (JNIM) fighters ambush and burn at least 100 fuel trucks arriving in Mali from Senegal and the Ivory Coast. The attacks are part of a nationwide blockade on fuel and other goods enforced by JINM as it besieges Malian government-held cities and towns. (AP via Ottumwa Courier)
• Naxalite–Maoist insurgency
  • The Naxalites declare an indefinite unilateral ceasefire and state their openness to peace talks with the Indian government amid ongoing military operations against their insurgency. (AFP via UCA News)

Business and economy

• Economy of Uganda
  • Uganda announces that it will borrow US$358 million from the African Development Fund, the Arab Bank for Economic Development in Africa, and Standard Chartered to fund a power grid link with South Sudan, a road to the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and expanded clean water access. (Reuters)

Disasters and accidents

• At least 15 people are killed and 16 others are missing when a cloudburst causes landslides and flooding across Uttarakhand, India. (The Indian Express)

Health and environment

• Climate of Spain
  • The Spanish State Meteorological Agency announces that 2025 was Spain's hottest summer since records began in 1961, averaging a temperature of 24.2 °C (75.6 °F), and surpassing 2022's record of 24.1 °C (75.4 °F). The record-high temperatures caused three heatwaves over the summer, including the 16-day heatwave in August which sparked wildfires. (DW)

International relations

• China–Philippines relations, Territorial disputes in the South China Sea
  • Scarborough Shoal standoff
    • China's coast guard reports that a Datu Cabaylo-class multi-mission offshore vessel of the Philippine fisheries bureau rammed a Chinese coast guard vessel near the disputed Scarborough Shoal, while the Philippines say Chinese ships used water cannons that damaged the Filipino vessel and injured a crew member. (AP) (Reuters)
• Yemeni civil war
  • 2025 Houthi raids on UN buildings in Sanaa
    • The United Nations relocates its resident coordinator's office for Yemen from Houthi-controlled Sanaa to Yemeni government-controlled Aden after the detention of UN staff by the Houthis, while maintaining operations across the country. (Reuters)
• Australia–Papua New Guinea relations
  • Australia announces that it will fund the construction of a new ministerial wing for Papua New Guinea's Parliament House in Port Moresby as the country marks its 50th anniversary of independence. (AP)
• Hungary–United States relations
  • The United States restores Hungary's full participation in the Visa Waiver Program after the Orbán government implements measures requested to address security concerns. (Reuters)
• Mercosur signs a free trade agreement with Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland. (AP)

Law and crime

• 2020 Beirut explosion
  • Bulgarian police arrest the owner of the ship that brought explosive material to Beirut, Lebanon, which caused an explosion in August 2020 that killed more than 200 people. (Reuters)
• 2024 Mannheim stabbing
  • The Stuttgart Higher Regional Court sentences Afghan national Sulaiman Ataee to life in prison for the May 2024 mass stabbing in Mannheim, Baden-Württemberg, Germany, which killed one person and injured five. (AP)
• Colombian conflict, Kidnappings in Colombia
  • Colombia's Special Jurisdiction for Peace sentences seven former FARC leaders, including ex-commander Timoleón Jiménez, to up to eight years of reparations work for their role in kidnappings. (AFP via France 24)
• Controversies surrounding Jair Bolsonaro
  • A Brazilian regional federal court orders former president Jair Bolsonaro and the federal government to each pay R$1 million (US$185,528.76) in damages for racist remarks he made in 2021 while in office. (The Guardian)
• Flood control projects controversy in the Philippines
  • The Philippine Court of Appeals orders the freezing of 135 bank accounts and 27 insurance policies linked to individuals and companies under investigation for alleged corruption in flood control projects, following a request by the Department of Public Works and Highways and the Anti–Money Laundering Council. (Reuters)
• Killing of Brian Thompson
  • In the United States, a New York judge dismisses the two terrorism charges brought against Luigi Mangione, the alleged killer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, but allows a second-degree murder charge to stand. (BBC News)
• Modern immigration to the United Kingdom
  • The High Court of Justice issues an interim injunction blocking the deportation of an Eritrean asylum seeker to France under a returns agreement, pending a hearing on his trafficking claim. (Al Jazeera)
• Murder of Agnes Wanjiru
  • Kenya's Magistrates' Court issues an arrest warrant and seeks the extradition of a British citizen over the 2012 murder of Kenyan woman Agnes Wanjiru near a British army training camp in Nanyuki, Laikipia County. (Reuters)
• Nord Stream pipelines sabotage
  • An Italian appellate court approves the extradition to Germany of a Ukrainian national allegedly involved in the 2022 Nord Stream pipeline explosions. The suspect's lawyer says that he plans to appeal the decision to the Supreme Court of Cassation. (AP)
• Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse
  • Serbian prosecutors indict former construction minister Goran Vesić and 12 others on public safety charges over the Novi Sad railway station roof collapse that killed 16 people. (Reuters)
• Romanian prosecutors indict former presidential candidate Călin Georgescu and 21 others on charges of attempting to undermine national security by planning violent protests after the cancellation of the 2024 election over alleged Russian interference. (Financial Times)
• Senegalese authorities intercept 112 Gambian migrants aboard a pirogue off the coast of Dakar on the suspicion of irregular migration as they attempt to reach Europe. (Reuters)
• The Seoul Central District Court issues an arrest warrant for former People Power Party floor leader Kweon Seong-dong on charges of receiving illegal political funds from the Unification Church during the 2022 South Korean presidential election campaign. (The Korea Herald)
• The high court in Gauteng, South Africa, rejects an appeal by the family of former Zambian president Edgar Lungu, upholding its ruling that Lungu's remains must be returned to Zambia for burial. (AP)
• U.S. president Donald Trump files a $15 billion defamation lawsuit against the newspaper The New York Times after the paper published articles and a book alleging that part of The Trump Organization's wealth was acquired through fraud. (NPR)

Politics and elections

• 2025 Malawian general election
  • Malawians vote to elect a president, the 229 members of the National Assembly, and 509 local government councillors. (AP)
• Internet in Afghanistan
  • Afghan supreme leader Hibatullah Akhundzada orders a complete ban on Wi-Fi internet in the northern Balkh Province to "prevent immorality". (The Independent)

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RD: Novatus Rugambwa

Article: Novatus Rugambwa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vatican News The Citizen
Credits:

• Nominated by Secretlondon (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Vatican diplomat and titular Archbishop from Tanzania Secretlondon (talk) 20:57, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Marilyn Hagerty

Article: Marilyn Hagerty (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Wizzito (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Newspaper columnist wizzito | say hello! 01:00, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support - Article meets sourcing and quality requirements. Jusdafax (talk) 19:56, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment There is a lot of content in the lede that should be transferred into the body. Curbon7 (talk) 04:46, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

  That seems at worst to be a yellow tag, e.g. {{lead extra info}} —Bagumba (talk) 07:34, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Tomas Lindberg

Article: Tomas Lindberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone, Pitchfork
Credits:

• Nominated by JanderVK (talk · give credit)
• Updated by FMSky (talk · give credit) and The Eternal Wayfarer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Cofounded & fronted the Swedish Melodic Death metal band At the Gates, one of the originators of the Melodic Death Metal genre & the “Gothenburg Sound”. Influenced the development of multiple metal subgenres such as Melodic Metalcore, Melodic Black metal, & influenced the evolution of Doom, Thrash, and Folk metal. JanderVK (talk) 23:01, 16 September 2025 (UTC) JanderVK

• Oppose due to insufficient sourcing. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:49, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: I went ahead and added citations to several relevant paragraphs of the career section of his page. I hope this makes it a bit more eligible for RD.--The Robot Parade (talk) 15:30, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Ymania Brown

Article: Ymania Brown (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ILGA World, TGEU
Credits:

• Nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Lukas.berredo (talk · give credit) and ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Samoan LGBTQ rights activist who held positions with ILGA, InterPride, and TGEU. ForsythiaJo (talk) 20:34, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article is long enough and fully sourced. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:36, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support looks good – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 12:31, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Can another sentence or two be added to the lede? Curbon7 (talk) 23:37, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted as blurb) Blurb/RD: Robert Redford

Article: Robert Redford (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American actor and filmmaker Robert Redford (pictured) dies at the age of 89. (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes The Guardian Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ItsShandog (talk · give credit), CheAjlt (talk · give credit), Thriley (talk · give credit) and TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Redford's very much in reasonable territory of being a major figure in Hollywood, though I feel the article could do a bit more on legacy for this point, but I'm going to consider a blurb already here since I know it would otherwise be added later. However, the article is unsourced in several places, so its not ready for RD yet. Masem (t) 12:19, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

I agree; a major figure in Hollywood. Sxg169 (talk) 12:39, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Support only for RD, well respected hollywood actor. QalasQalas (talk) 12:47, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Support RD Article is well-developed and in a good enough state although the Personal life and death section is a little proselineish. Since that covers the substantive update it could probably do with fleshing out a little. Not supporting a blurb but not violently against one either, over the course of his career yes he really is one of the greats, but his heyday was several decades ago and I'm not sure that he reaches the requisite threshold of current popular notability, i.e. are enough readers going to actively click through to justify a blurb? 3142 (talk) 12:43, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

We don't make a distinction if a person's significance was well in the past or more recent, only that it is well demonstrated. Masem (t) 13:10, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

You may not; I do. Notability for this purpose is a different threshold to general articles. ITN is supposed to be a service to the readership, to enable readers to easily find articles of interest. It is not our role to tell the reader what they should be interested in, and if no-one is the coverage is entirely pointless. Rather it is better directed to something people are interested in. 3142 (talk) 16:35, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

"he reaches the requisite threshold of current popular notability, i.e. are enough readers going to actively click through to justify a blurb?" this is not a requirement for blurb, because we have blurbed people who are not that well-known, but yes, enough readers will actively click. BilboBeggins (talk) 18:22, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose at present: too much unsourced material for MP inclusion. Would support RD only once the article is up to spec. Adding: I suspect this will end up being posted as a blurb, not because it's justified, but because of the usual fanboy voting will ignore the purpose of having RD. - SchroCat (talk) 12:53, 16 September 2025 (UTC) (Addendum added SchroCat (talk) 15:59, 16 September 2025 (UTC)) Moved to supporting, but still RD only. This isn't the first time we've seen fanboy voting like some sort of popularity contest - RD loses all meaning when this happens. - SchroCat (talk) 18:59, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  He mentioned above and should be fixed. QalasQalas (talk) 12:57, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, I saw it was mentioned, but I'm never going to vote support for poor quality content. Once it's fixed, I'll change my !vote, but not before. - SchroCat (talk) 13:10, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  BTW article was B-class until Anonymous added a bunch of unsourced contents. QalasQalas (talk) 15:05, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  So what? I'm not !voting on what it once was: I'm !voting on the state it's in at the moment and it's still not of sufficient quality to post, as several people have also pointed out. Rather than argue with me, you'd be better off improving the article. - SchroCat (talk) 15:59, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  How's the quality now @SchroCat:? I've done my best in adding sources and beefing up a legacy section to show his impact not only to filmmaking, but to independent films/environmentalism. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:16, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support RD per comments above. --NoonIcarus (talk) 13:12, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  I actually haven't seen any reasoning for not blurbing in the section. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:30, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Not ready There are a lot unsourced statements currently. Once fixed, I support an RD only. 5.57.242.223 (talk) 13:13, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Weak support blurb given his sheer number of accolades and resulting influence. Oppose on quality as article still needs a lot of work, however. The Kip ^(contribs) 13:21, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Has two Academy Awards, created Sundance. "In his ’70s heyday, few actors possessed Redford’s star wattag", "as a movie star in his prime, few could touch him". "A godfather for independent film". [2]. Has starred in three films that won Academy Award for Best Picture. That is a shoe-in for blurb. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:05, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Simply having won or starred in award winning films is not sufficient, but it is noted that he was considered one of the great actors in part because he won those awards, in addition to the other stuff he did to promote indie films and establishing Sundance. Masem (t) 14:19, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  I know that being Oscar winner only does not automatically qualify for blurb. But winning competitive Oscar and getting Honrary Award is rare, and he won almost every major award.

  And he is one offew figures who are not only householda names, but are also tranformative. BilboBeggins (talk) 16:50, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  I think the fact that his “heyday” was 50 years ago is also relevant. –DMartin 01:10, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb off of his accolades, but not up to postable level at this point unfortunately. --GhostStalker (Got a present for ya! / Mission Log) 14:10, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb, obvious international notability in the film industry on many levels. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:23, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Blurb Though he has many accolades and accomplishments, there aren't many actors who have been beloved as the standard for what other actors aren't ("....yeah, but he's no Robert Redford." : ) CoatCheck (talk) 14:25, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb Upon his death, obits and other influential acting figures are calling Redford legendary. He's won numerous notable accolades and even established the Sundance Film Festival, an influential film festival for independent films. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:34, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Not in doubt here but it would be helpful to add this to the existing death and legacy section (which is already being done) to better justify the blurb for others. Masem (t) 14:44, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Blurb He was a very well known actor and director and had a very lengthy career. Also. he helped founding the Sundance festival which has became one of the most famous movie festivals in the world, therefore a very notable legacy. LiamKorda 14:38, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Blurb per LiamKorda. Was one of the greats.Urbanracer34 (talk) 14:53, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Strong oppose blurb for the usual reasons. We cannot be posting to ITN every time an elderly person who used to be famous dies. We have recent deaths for a reason. –DMartin 14:58, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb—A highly transformative and iconic figure in both cinema and beyond. Founder of the Sundance Film Festival, used his platform to elevate major social issues of our time, Academy Awards as both an actor and director, etc. I feel he meets the high threshold for blurbing an actor. Kurtis ^(talk) 15:52, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Strong Support Blurb Notable, era-defining actor. Obvious blurb. This is what users would find valuable in ITN. Dr Fell (talk) 16:11, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb, one of the handful who would merit a blurb on either their acting or directing careers alone. BD2412 T 16:20, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Celjski Grad (talk) 16:27, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment @3142:, @The Kip:, @Masem:, @SchroCat:, @NoonIcarus:: I've expanded the legacy section which depicts Redford's impact not only as a Hollywood icon, but for his impact on Independent films and how influential he was as an activist/environmentalist. I've also beefed up the article with sources so there's no more cn tags. The argument of the blurb can be seen for his impact not just towards Hollywood films, but also for independent filmmaking and for his environmentalism efforts. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:45, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Exactly the type of concise info I'd love to for any nominated RD blurb, leaving no question as to why RSes consider a person a major figure rather than hand waving by Wp editors. Masem (t) 18:35, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb. one of the greats Fdfexoex (talk) 17:29, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb a legendary actor, i am convinced on his legacy. ROY is WAR Talk! 17:37, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb per Dr Fell and Kurtis among others. A legend indeed. Article now acceptable, and I’m seeing clear consensus to post. Jusdafax (talk) 17:57, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb for all the reasons stated above MAINEiac4434 (talk) 17:58, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Redford was obviously a big star in his 1970s heyday but I wouldn't say he's the very most recognised and transformative US film actor of his generation. Now, one could say he doesn't need to be - he was huge, much-awarded, features in some highly-acclaimed films - but I think we as users ought to be thinking about the long game with figures like this. I don't wish to sound morbid but there are a *lot* of very notable living North American film actors in their seventies, eighties and nineties that we are likely to discuss blurbing here in the next ten years or so, most of whom made their mark at a similar time to Redford. Dick Van Dyke, Mel Brooks, Clint Eastwood, William Shatner, Robert Duvall, Alan Alda, Shirley MacLaine, Woody Allen, Warren Beatty, Jack Nicholson, Morgan Freeman, Dustin Hoffman, Jane Fonda, Elliott Gould, Jon Voight, Harvey Keitel, F. Murray Abraham, Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, Faye Dunaway, Sylvester Stallone, Barbra Streisand, Harrison Ford, Goldie Hawn, Christopher Walken, Michael Douglas, Steve Martin, Tommy Lee Jones, Susan Sarandon, Diane Keaton, Arnold Schwarzenegger (he is Austrian and American), Richard Dreyfuss, Samuel L. Jackson, Meryl Streep, Sigourney Weaver, Richard Gere and John Travolta are just a few names that spring to mind. There's also various Hollywood directors (Francis Ford Coppola, Martin Scorsese, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, James Cameron), composers (John Williams) and non-American actors nevertheless associated with US film (Rita Moreno, Julie Andrews, Michael Caine and many more). All of these people are elderly, most of them are octogenarians or older, and I think it's fair to say that quite a few of them are dead certs for blurbs. Will all of their deaths be blurbed? Perhaps not but I think it's fair to say that most of them would be proposed and that a great many of them would get through ITN with the system and attitudes we have currently. There is going to be a real deluge of these figures, for many reasons (if I was to offer a pithy summary, Hollywood boomed in the 1960s and 70s and its hits were kept alive by television and home media, becoming part of a collective experience that is less achievable today) and with that in mind, I think we perhaps need to be somewhat brutal with who gets in and who doesn't.Humbledaisy (talk) 18:19, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Elliout Gould, F. Murray Abraham, Goldie Hawn, Steve Martin are nowhere near. Dick Van Dyke never won an Oscar, so did Harvey Keitel.

  And I don't see any sense of discussing the blurbs for persons who are alive. Some of persons you mentioned will be blurbed, so I don't know how them possibly being on the same scale is argument for not blurbing Redford. BilboBeggins (talk) 18:43, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  If you're not interested in discussing the blurbs for alive people, why did you tell me which ones you think are nowhere near? As I said, "I think it's fair to say that most of them would be proposed and that a great many of them would get through ITN with the system and attitudes we have currently". I didn't say I think they'll all be blurbed. I just wanted to demonstrate the sheer amount of notable, award-winning US film actors of a certain vintage and the problem it may pose to ITN.Humbledaisy (talk) 19:26, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  "If you're not interested in discussing the blurbs for alive people, why did you tell me which ones you think are nowhere near?"

  I am simply saying you can't compare with Redford people you can't compare with him.

  Blurb discussions taking place won't hurt anyone, if we don't want them to happen, then we should make some definite rules for blurbing. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:48, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Let's say that's 50 ppl in that list, all with a likely chance to die from old age over the next ten years. That's five whole blurbs a year, which in no way weighs down ITN, but that also assumes quality is there and that it's clear of their legacy to the industry. That last part, I don't know how true that is for all on the list., as just being a star from that period is not a indicator of being a major figure. Redfprd's significance has been demonstrated but I'm not sure if that can be said for all of them listed. Masem (t) 19:15, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  I'd suggest that five US film actors a year would be quite a significant weight on ITN. Combine it with UK film actors of the same vintage and it's going to be a great amount of one kind of notable person. That's all I'm trying to say. As I say, the names were off the top of my head and to make a point - I'm by no means suggesting they'll all be nominated or all be blurbed.Humbledaisy (talk) 19:26, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  John Travolta, aged 71, is likely to die withing the next 10 years? I haven't checked any other ages. Perhaps 30 to 40% of that dies in the next 10 years. So even less blurbs! Nfitz (talk) 23:29, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  I guess I'll repeat myself again. I said that those names are likely to come up "in the next ten years or so". Travolta is also the youngest person of the many I named by almost five years. I don't want to grumble but I go to great pains to make myself clear on ITN, to anticipate and address any potential misunderstandings or unanswered questions (hence the length of my comment) and I still have to repeat myself.Humbledaisy (talk) 15:59, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  A lot of actors at RD and blurb discussions fail on sourcing, so that alone will likely cut down that list. I also doubt all of the actors you mention could get consensus to be blurbed even if the quality is sufficient. I see a few names on there that would be shoe-ins, a few that I highly doubt would make it, and a lot that could go either way. We're not going to have that much of a problem here. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:29, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  I think there ought to be a discussion about establishing standards for blurb-worthy individuals. My sensibilities may be more inclusive than some; I would include pretty much all of the names on that list, as they are household names and recognizable to a general audience of the English-speaking world, as well as many outside of that audience. But where do we draw the line? What system of measurements should we use? Where would I draw the line, at least in terms of those in the entertainment industry? Among some of the oldest in that field, I would probably put it somewhere around June Lockhart, William Daniels, Rosemary Harris, Marion Ross, Vera Miles, Joanne Woodward, John Astin, and Barbara Eden (all of whom are over 94). Some of their roles are well-remembered, some quite fondly, but generally they are either known for primarily one role, or their work is much more familiar to the general public than their names, or in the case of Joanne Woodward, is still a bit overshadowed by someone else (her husband, Paul Newman), and derives at least some of her familiarity on the strength of that connection. The names that Humbledaisy included are all known by their own names first, not for any single role, and therefore, it would be the death of the individual that would be blurb-worthy.

  However, I'm not sure that the Robert Redford discussion is the place for this conversation (which, by the way, I would Support Blurb; as, if you don't include him, who would you include?) but I'm not sure what the proper place to have it would be. Wikipedia editors have different sensibilities. To some, it seems that "old man dies" is never news, but I can't tell you how many notable deaths I've learned about by coming to this page (and I started coming to the proposals page (and even occasionally contributing to it) instead of the main page because a lot of people get left off of the main page). The purpose of an encyclopedia and of Wikipedia is to allow people to be informed, and including recent deaths and blurbing notable ones fulfills this purpose by allowing people to be informed. I think we could also discuss other criteria for notability. Is it necessary to blurb the recurring champions of every sport, including a regional dart-throwing championship, for example? A change in head of state is significant, in principle, but is it necessary to include a change in the prime minister of Tuvalu, with a population of less than 10,000? We have Recent Deaths for those not deemed sufficiently blurb-worthy, but not anything similar for other news items. Again, I know it's not really the place for this discussion (but thank you for reading my thoughts if you have), but I think it would be advantageous to have it. Perhaps someone could suggest the best place for it.Ryan Reeder (talk) 01:00, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

This and other discussions of how to reform ITN are best held at the talk page. Natg 19 (talk) 02:16, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Additionally, some of your criteria questions are because those are listed at WP:ITNR which means that they have an "automatic" pass on notability. Some of those may need to be revised, however. Natg 19 (talk) 02:19, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb based on his tangible impact on the film industry, his enduring fame, and the fact that he received the Presidential Medal of Freedom. That Legacy section is impressive. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:31, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support RD; oppose blurb – Per Humbledaisy. Arguments based on his accolades are not entirely convincing as it's somewhat expected that a high-profile actor will receive a medal or two at some point; what matters is Redford being "transformative" within his field. Not exactly a household name in the 2020s either. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 21:21, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  @Nice4What: Redford was transformative in the film industry as the founder of the Sundance Institute, whose Sundance Film Festival played a key role in the rise of indie films. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:35, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  He is one of three founders of that festival (the most high profile name of the three), so I don't think we can really call him transformative by association. The reason we are considering him for a blurb is surely about acting and I don't think we've established that he was a transformative actor. Humbledaisy (talk) 22:14, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb Iconic actor worldwide. Seeing the list above convinces me that we should blurb him. It is OK to have a healthy number of blurbed deaths to balance all the sports news and the accidents news. I would argue that iconic peoples bios are more encyclopedic than minor sports or random accidents. Tradedia^talk 21:51, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support RD article seems good. Oppose blurb per Humbledaisy and others. We never learn... _-_Alsor (talk) 23:39, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Article quality is good enough. Impact on industry (directly through roles, awards, and through Sundance) is also sufficient. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 00:39, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb: clearly transformative not just in acting but in film in general.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 00:51, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb Article is in surprisingly good shape. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:12, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb, per others above Centuries123 (talk) 02:38, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Without trying to read the consensus for the blurb, the sourcing issues I saw when I nominated this are clearly dealt with and this is ready for an RD at minimum while blurb discussion continues. Masem (t) 03:24, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Strongly oppose blurb OLDMANDIES. Transformative underwater basket weaver. Manner of death not notable, and death not an event. Not even front-page "news" in most places in the US This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:08, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  Is it your intention to contribute to death-blurb discussion in a meaningful way, or merely to disrupt them? OLDMANDIES and 'underwater basket weaver' tell us about as much about the merits of the case as 'bus plunge' does about an arbitrarily selected public transport accident. There is still no requirement either for the manner of death to be notable, nor for the death to be treated as a discrete event in itself. Only your last point is even relevant in principle, but unfortunately it's wrong - Redford's death made front page news here in the UK, for example. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:04, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  Agree with GenevievDEon completely. I ask for an admin to look into this disruptive pattern of !voting. I have previously commented here that these predictable !votes fall into the category of WP:DISRUPT and feel the time has come to issue strong warnings, and if continued, sanctions. Enough is enough. Jusdafax (talk) 09:54, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  @GenevieveDEon and Jusdafax: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is this way. BangJan1999 11:39, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  No, I disagree that this is an AN/I case. We start with an admin warning, as I see this. There are many here, and the long-term problem is obvious. Jusdafax (talk) 14:01, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  ANI cases can come to a consensus for a formal "don't do it again" warning, if that's what you are looking for. Not all ANI cases end in immediate sanctions. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:13, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  If someone always complains about behavior but doesn't actually file any report, nothing will happen. ^EF⁵ 14:49, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  Having a consistent opinion is not disruptive. –DMartin 21:39, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

  Orbitalbuzzsaw, I follow ITNC occasionally, but don't generally participate. I have to say, though, that I don't think you're being disruptive for voicing a minority view against a horrible practice. Keep fighting the good fight. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:31, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  I have to agree with the IP here: there is nothing disruptive in !voting like this. WP:IDONTLIKEIT is no reason to threaten someone with ANI or some form of action. There is absolutely nothing disruptive about this vote, despite some people being triggered by seeing a minority viewpoint being expressed. - SchroCat (talk) 05:21, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

  The problem is that this is a frequent statement by this editor, and completely ignores the written guidance we have for RD Blurb selection. One can complain that Redford wasn't a major figure and their death was not the news story, and there may be disagreement about that but that's a legit argument. But to claim the only reason to post an RD blurb is that the death must be notable, ignoring that the other options exist, is disruptive. It also doesn't help with the weak insult of a person still covered by BLP. If the editor wants to remove that "major figure" or "life as the story" aspects we have for RD Blurbs, the way to push that is on the ITN talk page, but while it exists, their arguments should reflect what the guidelines say. Masem (t) 12:01, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

• Needs work Level-5 vital and about 3 million readers on the news, making it the top read article yesterday. But it's lacking some key details about the subject as a person. It doesn't say anything about his handsome appearance and charm which made him a sex symbol. And it doesn't say much about his personal hobbies such as skiing. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:58, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  @Andrew Davidson:, @EF5: & @GenevieveDEon:: Expanded the legacy & reception section by adding his status as a sex symbol and Redford's response to the label. I'm not sure where I would add the skiing hobby thing as I feel anywhere I would add it in the personal life section would seem out of place and trivial. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:44, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  There was already mention of his owing the Sundance ski resort. —Bagumba (talk) 19:41, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Weak support blurb in principle, but wait until the issues described by Andrew are addressed. Redford was a major household name and had a wider influence on the artform and industry from behind the camera, which is exactly the sort of thing we should consider influential in making these determinations, in my opinion. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:04, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Posted blurb. You guys know me, I'm very often opposed to routine deaths of household names without demonstration of further notability... but looking at this with my admin hat on rather than as a contributor, I see a very clear consensus to blurb this one, with arguments of those arguing he was one of the top figures of the film industry in his time. I've also noted the "needs work" comments above, but I think there's also a broad consensus that this meets the minimum threshold for inclusion within ITN, as also hinted at in Masem's assessment above. Sure, it's not GA or FA level, and some prose on "his handsome appearance and charm which made him a sex symbol" (perhaps not in that language though?!) as well as his skiing hobbies would be good additions, but aren't fundamental to having a vaguely complete article.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:46, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb per those above. ^EF⁵ 14:49, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  There are literally no arguments based on Wikipedia rules in the whole discussion. Not being household name (he was though), not being household name in 2020s, other actors being more famous, OLDMANDIES are not valid arguments when determining the person deserving blurb. Reforming ITN is not to be discussed here. BilboBeggins (talk) 18:20, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb, So many other stories get shut down even when they have massive news coverage, other past blurbs like the Charlie Kirk killing still have more coverage then Redford's death. Also he wasn't even a "household name" for most people in the US let alone the world Normalman101 (talk) 20:47, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  We don't use the size of the coverage or aspects like fame or "household name" as part of significance considerations, as we are not a newspaper nor a news ticker. Masem (t) 12:02, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

  Exactly, someone dying at a normal stage of life whose peak influence was decades ago does not warrent encyclopedic coverage. It feels like news stories tick by ITN too fast due to blurbs like this. I don't really have a problem with most of the individual nominations, however even while trying to contribute to ITN the volume of these drown out what is "In the News" IMO. Normalman101 (talk) 14:05, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

  Which stories "ticked by ITN" because of Redford's post? —Bagumba (talk) 15:54, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

  People usually complain that the stories tick by too slowly... you can't win I guess.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:32, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

  He wasn't a household name? My recollection is that he was pretty much THE biggest household name, for movie actors of his generation, back in the 1970s, @Normalman101. Another would have been Paul Newman. For TV there was Alan Alda. Though after 50 years, my recollections may not be perfect. Nfitz (talk) 22:17, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

UN report about the Gaza genocide

Articles: Gaza genocide (talk · history · tag) and Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory issues a report finding Israel as responsible for the Gaza genocide. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A UN Commission of Inquiry has concluded Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.
Alternative blurb II: ​ United Nations investigators have reported Israel of committing genocide in Gaza in a bid to destroy the Palestinians.
News source(s): UN News, BBC AP Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
• Updated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A major report about the war. ArionStar (talk) 10:02, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Weak oppose as this is significant but covered by ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:31, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

We posted the Gaza famine. ArionStar (talk) 11:46, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, that's also because it's a top UN-affiliated body declaring as such. This is also similar.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 11:52, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Support alt1 The war is covered in ongoing, the genocide should also be mentioned. Scuba 21:48, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Oppose. Report does not seem significant compared to with what happens currently, there can hardly be any consequences because of it. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:39, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Support It's an ongoing event which details the current war and humanitarian issues in Gaza. Rager7 (talk) 15:50, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Support alt1 as clear, concise and representative of most sources. This is clearly notable at the moment, and is worth mentioning on its own, despite the ongoing. (Otherwise, "war" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in "Gaza war".) Lewisguile (talk) 18:01, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Support, Although a contentious topic, the UN report claims Israel committed genocide in Gaza.

• Killing,
• Causing serious bodily or mental harm
• Deliberately inflicting conditions of life,
• Calculated to bring about the destruction of the Palestinians, and
• Imposing measures intended to prevent births. --QalasQalas (talk) 11:34, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Very weak oppose if only because I personally believe the ICJ case to be the metaphorical “big one” that we should post, but I’m willing to strike my vote if the community disagrees. If that happens, I prefer ALT1 - ALT2 has some superfluous bits and the original blurb is awkwardly-worded. The Kip ^(contribs) 13:16, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose - so what? It's not like the UN will do anything about it. ^EF⁵ 13:16, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Don't think that's sufficient grounds for oppose. Also, the UN has also been heavily critical of Israel, mind, with a resolution recently passed advocating for a two-state solution and criticising Israel's military actions.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 10:43, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support alt1 (though switch to present tense). Whether the war in Gaza constitutes a genocide has been controversial and different bodies have made different assessments. This is the closest we're ever going to get to an 'official' determination. Genocide is enormously important and recognition of one certainly merits posting as an ITN blurb, in addition to the war itself being in the ongoing section. The article is an example of our best work, very well referenced and has been carefully updated. Modest Genius ^talk 13:37, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  @Modest Genius What about the ICJ case (albeit it’ll likely be a while before the ruling is even formulated, let alone released)? The Kip ^(contribs) 13:41, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

I am not an expert on international law, but as I understand it the ICJ is responsible for determining whether a specific person is guilty of the crime of genocide, not the broader issue of whether a genocide occurred at all. The ICJ will likely take years or decades to bring anyone to trial (if it ever happens). For example, it was clear in the late 90s that there had been a genocide in Bosnia, but it took until 2016 for the ICJ to convict Karadžić of the crime, and the ICJ's own determination was of a much narrower legal sense that excluded many aspects of the conflict. So while an ICJ conviction would be big news in itself, I don't think it's the determining factor of whether genocide occurred. As an analogy: if someone is murdered, we don't wait years for a court conviction of the specific murderer before reporting that the death was a murder. Modest Genius ^talk 14:10, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

@Modest Genius I believe what you’re defining is the ICC, not the ICJ - the ICC prosecutes individuals, the ICJ nation-states. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:28, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

You're right, I mixed up the courts. For Bosnia, the relevant ICJ case was in 2007 - still more than a decade after the events. So I don't think that difference fundamentally changes the reasoning. Modest Genius ^talk 14:50, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Question of how binding this is or what actions this triggers. With the UN declaration of famine, that seemed to establish the need for more humanitarian programs to Gaza. This is a report by a three person panel and doesn't seem to have any immediate impact or even confirmation by the UN as a whole, so it seems less significant at this point. Masem (t) 14:25, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Seriously, this trends Google News topics. QalasQalas (talk) 18:02, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  ITN is not a news ticker, we don't blindly follow what majes headlines. Masem (t) 18:38, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Strongly oppose. The Gaza genocide article has significant verifiability issues. -- mikeblas (talk) 14:25, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  @Mikeblas: This was a false-positive error and due to usage of {{invoke}} for short inline references.

  See the response in your topic: Talk:Gaza_genocide#missing_citations

  Unless you have other concerns, can you please strike down your assertion? Bogazicili (talk) 19:01, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Verifiability concerns remain. Dozens of footnotes show warnings for footnotes that don't have matching citations. There's no realistic way to tell which of those are false alarms and which are not, other than manually visiting each. Indeed, the use of {{invoke}} seems to cause false alarms in the code that indicates a footnote has no target. The use of {{invoke}} is required because the Wiki markup parser has a limitation in the amount of text it can handle (or generate?). The article has gone through a wave of changing how it annotates its references and then uses this {{invoke}} trick, ignoring the problems it causes for verifiability.

  That the workaround is necessary is a bug: an undesired limitation in functionality. The house of cards that implements -- templates, invoke, LUA scripts, code in the parser, ... -- is Byzantine and falls over easily when stressed. This is just one such article with problems.

  Verifiability is one of the fundamental tenets of the encyclopedia, but the Wiki itself makes it extremely difficult to implement. The main page (and its sub features like "In the News") should not be used to showcase articles that are struggling with the parser implementation. Particularly for pages that cover sensitive and controversial subjects and must rely on easy verifiability to maintain balance and objectivity.

  And so I reiterate my Strongly oppose not-vote. -- mikeblas (talk) 21:16, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  @Mikeblas: I am not sure if you checked the page again after recent edits. Your comment may be outdated.

  Are you still talking about no-target errors? I am not seeing any at the moment. Pretty much all of the {{invoke}}'s were removed. Bogazicili (talk) 22:09, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  @Mikeblas: some of the {{invoke}}s were re-added to reduce WP:PEIS

  However, I am still not seeing any Category:Harv_and_Sfn_template_errors or any no-target errors. Another editor has confirmed these issues have been resolved [3]

  I am taking your WP:V claims very seriously, so I request:

  • If there are any issues, clearly state what they are
  • If there are no longer any issues, strike down your assertions. Bogazicili (talk) 16:31, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support, It is notable that an organization affiliated with the United Nations characterizes this as genocide. Greensminded24 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 14:47, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Weak oppose - The UN Commission of Inquiry does not represent the UN. This report is arguably less important than similar statements from IAGS, MSF, Amnesty, B'Tselem, etc, which represent entire organizations.

EvansHallBear (talk) 16:25, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose, in part because of the contentious topic implications as well as the significant unaddressed question of why this report and not others meets the threshold for WP:ITNSIGNIF. Coining (talk) 17:23, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose: From the linked Reuters article (bolding by me): "The commission's 72-page legal analysis is the strongest U.N. finding to date but the body is independent and does not officially speak for the United Nations. The U.N. has not yet used the term 'genocide' but is under increasing pressure to do so." Cambalachero (talk) 17:33, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  The altblurbs specify that it is an independent commission, not the UN as a whole. –DMartin 22:03, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• I Support the Alt1 blurb as concise and accurate. This has been all over the world's main news outlets and is the news lede [4] for the BBC's "flagship international news and current affairs radio programme" Newshour (for example). The other similar determinations made for instance by B'Tselem, Amnesty International, and the Médecins Sans Frontières only give further weight to the UN Commission's determination; this assessment is reflected in the editorial decisions of global newspapers to highlight their findings on their front pages. Our decision should disregard clearly false arguments that the report fails WP:ITNSIGNIF (belied by international reporting) or that the article has WP:V arguments, already resolved on the talk page. -Darouet (talk) 18:10, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  You seem to fail to get what WP:ITNSIGNIF is about. International reporting is Necessary But Not Sufficient, a story also needs consensus. Many people have pointed that, although the blurb may suggest otherwise to the unaware reader, this body is not the UN nor what it says is an official UN view on the topic. If you want to change that, you should explain if we got it wrong somehow and this Commission is really the big deal you seem to think it is. Cambalachero (talk) 18:47, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  I'm glad you brought this up. The language of Alt1 is identical to that of the most reputable news organizations. The BBC states, "a UN investigation has concluded that Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in Gaza."[5] Compare that to Alt1: "A UN Commission of Inquiry has concluded Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in Gaza." I agree with you that an editor could be, personally, confused about what that means. But the UN investigation's findings are consistent with determinations of most international and Israeli human rights organizations, which are remarkably unified in their consensus. -Darouet (talk) 19:01, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support. Prefer alt1. The report was titled: "Legal analysis of the conduct of Israel in Gaza pursuant to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide" [6] The inquiry was headed by Navi Pillay [7], president of International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda relevant to Rwandan genocide. I don't know what does not officially speak for the United Nations means. UN is composed of different countries. Some UN bodies or officials may refrain until an official ICJ ruling in several years. But I don't think that's a reason to omit this from the news. Alt1 says A UN Commission of Inquiry, it doesn't say "The UN". So I am not sure where the confusion is in. Bogazicili (talk) 19:35, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: I have just tagged the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory article for lack of NPOV, and explained it at the talk page. In short, it only mentions what the reports say and never the criticisms of such reports, even when those criticisms are already in the news pieces being cited. Cambalachero (talk) 19:36, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support significant declaration by the UN, article looks to be in good shape. RachelTensions (talk) 20:13, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose This is covered by the ongoing item. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:08, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• I would argue that as this is something primarily regard civilians that it's different(or at least different enough) that the military actions covered by ongoing. –DMartin 22:06, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• The article in Ongoing is Gaza war. This uses the word genocide 62 times, it has a substantial paragraph about it in the lead and extensive coverage in the body including details of this particular report. So, it's already much better covered by Ongoing than other issues such as protests. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:43, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Significant event, comparable to the statements of the International Commission of Inquiry on Darfur. All linked articles are of good quality. –DMartin 22:06, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Is there a good illustrative image for this entry? Maybe something like c:File:An UNRWA school which turned into a shelter in Deir el-Balah, Gaza Strip.jpg. –DMartin 22:19, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• It is distressing but I think something like this [8], which appears in Al-Farabi School Bombing, would be illustrative, but sad. -Darouet (talk) 00:45, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support, clearly significant development that exceeds the ongoing Morgan695 (talk) 23:23, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• I lean towards oppose for now. This is an independent investigation body from the UN. Unlike the famine blurb, with the IPC more directly affiliated with the UN, this is still a separate commission and the UN had not officially declared the conflict as a "genocide" as such. When the UN accept the findings, then it would be more significant.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 10:41, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Independent commission that notably does not speak for the UN, nor does it claim to, makes claim regarding a war that several others agencies have already made. This feels more like an attempt to right a great wrong or be a WikiActivist. Not notable enough on its own; falls under ongoing regardless. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 14:10, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. While I disagree with the article's orange tag (since the given sources claimed to be selectively used give relatively little prominence to the Israeli criticism and more would be WP:UNDUE), the article still mostly just presents the commission's reports (and briefly discusses criticism by Israel and the US), without much about the context, how the commission operates, its relationship with the UN, etc. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:25, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  I presume you are referring to the article on the commission? The altblurbs only bold link Gaza genocide, which seems in excellent shape. If you don't like the other bold link, would you support alt1? Modest Genius ^talk 15:20, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  My bad, didn't catch that the altblurbs changed the bolded links. In that case, weak support the altblurbs, as, despite being covered by ongoing, the results of the fact-finding mission still rise above the higher significance threshold. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:22, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• While civilian casualties are common in war, it is abundantly clear that is not what is happening here. I'm honestly not sure about this nomination specifically, but continuing to sweep up all of what is happening into the heading of "Gaza War" seems to be carrying water for Israel. Hamas military engagement is a rather trivial component of the ongoing crisis. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:12, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  A trivial component of news coverage, perhaps, but a significant component of why the war continues. If Hamas were to release the hostages, that would merit an ITN nomination. Coining (talk) 18:12, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

That's specious CRYSTALBALLism, but in any case irrelevant. I'm not talking about news coverage or "why the war continues" but the actual course of events that we are attempting to document. Israel is conducting a genocide in Gaza, and unilateral attacks in Gaza, the West Bank, and several other countries, but the war part (i.e. multilateral conflict with an armed adversary) is a small part of the overall conflict. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:38, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

• To be fair to Hamas, the Gaza strip is the only place they can fight. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:26, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

  Except that none of this would have happened if Hamas hadn't fought/attacked/slaughtered outside of Gaza on October 7. Cognizant though of WP:NOTAFORUM, I'll refrain from commenting on the appropriateness of being fair to Hamas. Coining (talk) 15:50, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose No one is waiting for the UN to know that a genocide is happening. Tradedia^talk 01:49, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
• Strong Support Result of long investigation by UN Human Rights Council that includes official calls for action and that resulted in calls from at least 20 other major aid organizations.  selfworm^Talk) 03:38, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose As much as it pains me to say it, this is unfortunately a situation where "in other news, water is wet" applies. There has been a fairly longstanding consensus amongst the world's authorities and scholars on human rights and genocide studies that this was the case. One additional UN commission adding its voice to that consensus is notable and merits coverage on Wikipedia, but at the same time, it is not so independently newsworthy as to escape the fact that this is otherwise captured by ongoing. Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 03:53, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Gaza War is already in the ongoing. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:26, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

September 15

Portal:Current events/2025 September 15

September 15, 2025 (2025-09-15) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

• War on drugs
  • 2025 US Caribbean naval deployment
    • United States president Donald Trump claims that the U.S. military carried out a strike on an alleged Venezuelan drug cartel vessel in international waters, killing three people, making it the second such strike carried out against a suspected drug boat in September. (Reuters)
• War in the Sahel
  • Boko Haram insurgency
    • Nigerian troops kill at least eleven ISWAP fighters in two operations in the Adamawa and Borno states. (Reuters)
• Haitian conflict
  • Armed gangs attack an armored vehicle in Kenscoff, Haiti, killing the driver and injuring two police officers on board. (AP)

Business and economy

• Mexico–United States relations
  • The U.S. Department of Transportation orders Mexican flag carrier Aeroméxico and U.S. major carrier Delta Air Lines to end their joint venture by January 1, 2026, citing anti-competitive effects on Mexico–U.S. routes. (Reuters)
• Australian bank ANZ agrees to pay AU$240 million (US$160 million) in penalties, the largest ever imposed by the Securities and Investments Commission, for misconduct including irregularities in a government bond deal and failures affecting its customers. (Reuters)

Disasters and accidents

• Sudanese refugee crisis
  • At least 50 people are killed after a boat carrying Sudanese refugees catches fire off the coast of Libya, with 24 survivors receiving medical assistance. (Reuters)
• Four people are killed and nine others injured after a bus collides with a truck in Uttar Pradesh, India. (The Times of India)

International relations

• Israel–United Kingdom relations
  • United Kingdom and the Gaza war
    • The British defence ministry bans Israelis from attending the Royal College of Defence Studies over Israel's decision to fully invade Gaza City. (Reuters)
• South Korea–United States relations
  • 2025 Georgia Hyundai plant immigration raid
    • South Korea announces it will launch a formal investigation into human rights abuses by U.S. federal personnel during the raid at a Hyundai factory in Georgia earlier this month. (DW)
• Colombia–United States relations, Colombian conflict
  • The United States adds Colombia to its list of countries failing to meet international counter-narcotics obligations for the first time since 1997, citing increased cocaine production. (AFP via France 24)

Law and crime

• Flood control projects controversy in the Philippines
  • Philippine president Bongbong Marcos appoints former Supreme Court associate justice Andres Reyes Jr. as the chairperson of the newly established Independent Commission for Infrastructure to investigate corruption in flood control projects. (Rappler)
• Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
  • Poland detains a Belarusian woman and a Ukrainian man after a drone flew over the Presidential Palace in Warsaw and was neutralized by the State Protection Service. (AP)
• India's Supreme Court clears the Vantara wildlife rescue centre, run by the Reliance Foundation, of allegations of illegal animal acquisition and mistreatment after a court-appointed investigation found no such violations. (Reuters)
• Recorder of London Mark Lucraft sentences English couple Constance Marten and Mark Gordon to 14 years in prison each for the manslaughter of their newborn daughter. (CBS News)

Politics and elections

• 2025 deployment of federal forces in the United States
  • U.S. president Donald Trump orders the deployment of the Army National Guard to Memphis, Tennessee, to "combat crimes". (The Independent)
• 2025 Tanzanian general election
  • Tanzania's electoral commission disqualifies ACT-Wazalendo candidate Luhaga Mpina from the upcoming presidential election for a second time, reversing its earlier approval on September 13. (Reuters)
• Belarusian opposition politician Mikola Statkevich, released last week as part of a prisoner deal, is returned to a penal colony in Hlybokaye, Vitebsk region, after refusing deportation to Lithuania. (Reuters)
• Chad's National Assembly approves constitutional amendments extending presidential terms from five to seven years and removing term limits, with a final Senate vote scheduled for October 13. (Reuters)

Sports

• 2025 World Athletics Championships
  • 2025 World Athletics Championships – Men's pole vault
    • Swedish–American pole vaulter Armand Duplantis breaks his own world record of 6.29 meters set in 2025 by jumping 6.30 meters, winning him the gold medal at the World Athletics Championships. (International Olympic Committee)
• 2025 Women's Rugby World Cup
  • In rugby union, France's Axelle Berthoumieu receives a 12-match suspension for biting Ireland's Aoife Wafer during their Women's Rugby World Cup quarterfinal, while teammate Manaé Feleu is banned for three matches for a dangerous tackle. (CNN)

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RD: Antony Maitland

Article: Antony Maitland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9]
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A bit short, but good enough. Natg 19 (talk) 18:10, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Marilyn Knowlden

Article: Marilyn Knowlden (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): THR
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Looks in good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 18:03, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Isabel Rilvas

Article: Isabel Rilvas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN Portugal
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:70FB:8C3A:DA89:F809 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Portuguese acrobatic pilot. 240F:7A:6253:1:70FB:8C3A:DA89:F809 (talk) 15:12, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support: Notable subject and the article is sufficently sourced. NeoGaze (talk) 21:06, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article quality is sufficient. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:51, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Looks good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 14:39, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Posted. Curbon7 (talk) 22:04, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

2025 US Caribbean naval deployment

Article: 2025 US Caribbean naval deployment (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ United States Navy deployments against alleged drug-carrying boats on the Caribbean Sea kills at least 14 people and causes tensions in the region. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

 ArionStar (talk) 11:54, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Question at what point does this become something that could be in the "Ongoing" with Patel saying it will "extend for years"^[1] so is there a set amount of time it has to be to going on for?

Otto (talk) 15:17, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

It can be posted as blurb and then as Ongoing. ArionStar (talk) 15:30, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Wait/Oppose Borrowing the words of Masem from the previous time this happened: If this wasn't a cartel vessel and turns out the US hit a civilian ship, as to start a larger conflict, that might be a reason to post, but there's no indication that anything has been massively escalated due to this. Currently, I feel this lacks any impact to post. 5.57.242.223 (talk) 15:38, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Note that Venezuela did assert the last boat was all civilians, but as yet nothing has really come this. Masem (t) 15:42, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  It provoked the reaction of several countries. ArionStar (talk) 15:50, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  I just noticed 2025 US Caribbean naval deployment is the target article for this blurb. Wouldn't 2025 United States strikes on Venezuelan boats be a better target article seeing how the article focuses on the strikes themselves rather than just describing them in passing like 2025 US Caribbean naval deployment does? _{Feel free to append to my previous !vote if that's more appropriate} 5.57.242.223 (talk) 16:39, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Wait, too early. Given what we know at this point, it is only a drug dealing police operation. Therefore, not yet notable at the level of an ITN. Tradedia^talk 01:18, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose The event is barely covered let alone being notable enough to be on the news. Rager7 (talk) 05:44, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Fred Kirschenmann

Article: Fred Kirschenmann (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Food Tank
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Leading figure in regenerative agriculture. Thriley (talk) 20:58, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article quality is sufficient. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:55, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Support Stringy paragraphs but otherwise ok. Bremps... 17:25, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment The Career section is composed almost entirely of 1 sentence WP:PROSELINE paragraphs; can this be converted into actual prose? Curbon7 (talk) 21:59, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Posted. Curbon7 (talk) 23:46, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

September 14

Portal:Current events/2025 September 14

September 14, 2025 (2025-09-14) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

• Gaza war
  • Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip, 2025 Gaza City offensive
    • At least 53 Palestinians are killed by Israeli attacks, including 35 in Gaza City where the Israeli army has been concentrating its assault. (Al Jazeera)
• Colombian conflict
  • A police officer is killed and four others are injured in an attack on a police station in Cauca, Colombia, by FARC dissidents, prompting military deployment to restore order. (The Times of India)
• Islamist insurgency in Niger
  • The Nigerien government reports that at least fourteen soldiers were killed in ambushes by unknown militants in the Tillabéri Region last week. (AP)

Arts and culture

• 77th Primetime Emmy Awards
  • At the 2025 Primetime Emmy Awards in the United States, The Studio becomes the most-nominated first-year comedy series in the awards' history at 23 nominations, tying The Bear's nominations from last year. (Variety)
  • For the first time in the awards' history, every nominee for Outstanding Writing for a Comedy Series has at least one woman on the writing team. (Variety)
  • The Studio wins Outstanding Comedy Series and The Pitt wins Outstanding Drama Series, while Adolescence wins Outstanding Limited or Anthology Series. (The Hollywood Reporter)
  • English actor Owen Cooper wins the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Limited or Anthology Series or Movie for his role in Adolescence, becoming the youngest male recipient of an Emmy Award. (Daily Tribune)
  • Tramell Tillman becomes the first Black man to win the award for Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Drama Series for his work in Severance. (Variety)
  • The Bob Hope Humanitarian Award is awarded to married actors Ted Danson and Mary Steenburgen in recognition of "a lifetime of philanthropy", marking the first time the award is presented to a couple. (Television Academy)

Health and environment

• 2025 Kasaï Province Ebola outbreak
  • The World Health Organization begins Ebola vaccinations for exposed individuals and health workers in Kasaï Province, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (AP)

Politics and elections

• 2025 Turkish protests
  • Over 50,000 people march in Ankara, Turkey, to protest against and call for President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to resign following the government's judicial coup against the country's opposition party, Republican People's Party, and its leader Özgür Özel. (DW)
• Algerian president Abdelmadjid Tebboune appoints Sifi Ghrieb as prime minister following Nadir Larbaoui's dismissal in August. (Reuters)

Sports

• 2025 Vuelta a España
  • Danish rider Jonas Vingegaard wins the annual Vuelta a España road cycling race in Spain. (Le Monde)
  • The final stage of the race is suspended following pro-Palestinian protests against the Israel–Premier Tech team on Paseo del Prado in Madrid. (CNN)
• EuroBasket 2025
  • In basketball, Germany defeats Turkey 88–83 in the EuroBasket 2025 final, with Dennis Schröder selected as the MVP. In the third-place match, Greece beats Finland. (FIBA)

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RD: Siegmund Nimsgern

Article: Siegmund Nimsgern (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bayerischer Rundfunk
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German baritone who performed at the greatest opera houses in Wagner roles and recorded Bach. There wasn't much of an article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article is decent and well-sourced. Jusdafax (talk) 23:52, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Merwin Coad

Article: Merwin Coad (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Jersey Globe (via Twitter)
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MallonAllah12 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former U.S. representative, last congressman elected during the Eisenhower years. First reliable source announced his death on this day (the New Jersey Globe via Twitter). Article needs some work, but isn't in terrible shape. Curbon7 (talk) 04:19, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Nicholas Grimshaw

Article: Nicholas Grimshaw (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by 128.91.40.237 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Leading UK architect, perhaps a blurb 128.91.40.237 (talk) 15:04, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Projects section needs more citations. Curbon7 (talk) 23:43, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

2025 Vuelta a España

Article: 2025 Vuelta a España (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cycling, the Vuelta a España is disrupted by pro-Palestinan protests, with the final stage in Madrid cancelled (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In cycling, Jonas Vingegaard wins Vuelta a España, with the race disrupted by pro-Palestinan protests
Alternative blurb II: ​ In cycling, Jonas Vingegaard wins Vuelta a España, with multiple stages disrupted by pro-Palestinan protests
Alternative blurb III: ​ In cycling, Jonas Vingegaard wins Vuelta a España, with the final stage cancelled due to pro-Palestinan protests
News source(s): BBC Guardian Le Monde NYT El Pais
Credits:

• Nominated by Turini2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Simonellatyphi23 (talk · give credit), MauriceElMedioni (talk · give credit), Tomrtn (talk · give credit) and Alibene567 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The Vuelta wouldn't usually make it to ITN imo - however the race was disrupted by pro-Palestinian protests throughout the race, and the final stage in Madrid was cancelled. Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez publicly supported the protests. Turini2 (talk) 13:15, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

I feel the focus here is less about the results and more on the race's disruption by the protestors, given that the race itself isn't ITNR and best as I can tell hasn't been posted before. Masem (t) 14:08, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

amended the blurb, leaving the sporting ones to alt1-3 Turini2 (talk) 14:12, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support usually this wouldn't meet WP:ITNSIGNIF as not usually as much coverage as the Tour de France. But exceedingly more coverage this year due to 3 stages cancelled/shortened due to protests, so this event meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. And article quality is fine. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:24, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Strong support per Joseph; this is getting enough coverage to be worthy of being put in the news. Also, let’s put “Vuelta a España” in bold, per 2604’s vote (which is now deleted). 64.114 etc 15:44, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  Just a procedural note that I deleted the IP vote due to ECR - given the context of the race’s cancellations/protests, I figured it fell under the ARBPIA area enough for ECR to be in effect. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:02, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  What is ECR? 64.114 etc 16:03, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  WP:ARBPIA. Simply put only ECP editors (500+ edits) are allowed to contribute to things about the Arab-Israeli conflict. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 16:24, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  @64.114 etc The broadly-construed (i.e. anything even tangentially related) WP:ARBPIA area is subject to the extended-confirmed restriction, meaning that an editor has to be logged-in and extended-confirmed (account age of at least 30 days + at least 500 edits) in order to edit articles/content related to the Arab–Israeli (more often just Israeli–Palestinian) conflict. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:44, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  OK. Glad I’m extended confirmed. 64.114 etc 17:10, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Race wouldn’t normally make ITN, and the protests are covered by the ongoing item. The Kip ^(contribs) 15:14, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per The Kip. The protests aren't in themselves notable enough for ITN, and we don't post the Vuelta either. I don't think combining the two things makes this suddenly big enough news. Maybe a good candidate for a DYK listing.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:59, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Wide coverage. ArionStar (talk) 21:44, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Just a reminder to potential voters that given the protests, this item is covered by the aforementioned broadly-construed ARBPIA extended-confirmed restriction. Two support votes, an oppose vote, and a comment have already been removed as such. The Kip ^(contribs) 22:07, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  Sorry, that comment was me, I thought that the commenting wouldn't violate the ARBPIA. Must have missed it yesterday when I looked at the page. (hope this isn't anything either) Normalman101 (talk) 14:03, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose If the event isn't notable enough to have it's own article, it's not notable enough to be on the front page. –DMartin 22:57, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  And the race itself is not eligible for front page because it isn't listed on ITN/R§Cycling –DMartin 22:58, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  Not being on ITNR does not make it ineligible. Stephen 01:10, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  +1, there are plenty of sporting events that get posted due to the notability of a particular event despite not being ITN/R! Turini2 (talk) 07:13, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as per The Kip. The race itself is not ITNR and the protests are covered by ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:26, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support The race not being ITNR is not really relevant, as sporting events which are not ITNR can still successfully pass the criteria independently. Also, I don't think a bike race in Spain with pro-Palestine protests is so proximate to the Gaza war that it is 100% covered by ongoing. Because neither of those factors are dispositive, that leads me to conclude this can be posted. The protests together with general hype around Jonas Vingegaard have pushed it over the line; this is evidenced by the widespread international coverage as well as domestic political attention. Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 03:41, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  @Flipandflopped there’s generally been a consensus that Gaza war protests fall under the Gaza war ongoing item. The Kip ^(contribs) 13:20, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  And I agree with that general consensus, but this is at the intersection of Gaza protests, Spanish politics, and a sports event which was already bordering on newsworthy enough to blurb, so I think it clears the bar. Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 05:21, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support This is a Grand Tour comparable with the Tour de France and the protests seem to have been quite disruptive. The ongoing entry isn't much help as finding this would be a needle in a haystack, buried deep down in huge secondary articles like Gaza War protests. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:23, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Theoretically support alt blurb 1 or 2, but oppose for now Although the Vuelta a España isn’t ITNR, it looks like it’s about as important as the Tour de France & these protests make this edition of the Vuelta a España more notable than other editions. However, the “Final stage in Madrid” section describes the protests as anti-genocide protests when English language sources don’t describe them as anti-genocide protests, so I have NPOV concerns about that section. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:07, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  This section has now been updated to a more neutral POV e.g. demonstrations against the Gaza war rather than "demonstrations against the genocide in Gaza" Turini2 (talk) 12:19, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose There is a reason this is not ITNR. The protest is not enough to make it pass ITN. Tradedia^talk 01:05, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Support Wide coverage and the pro-Palestinian protests make it notable, even if it wouldn't be without them. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 01:56, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) 77th Primetime Emmy Awards

Article: 77th Primetime Emmy Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the Primetime Emmy Awards, The Studio wins the award for Outstanding Comedy Series (Outstanding Lead Actor in a Comedy Series winner Seth Rogen pictured) and The Pitt wins for Outstanding Drama Series. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Moraljaya67 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 𝗠𝗼𝗿𝗮𝗹𝗷𝗮𝘆𝗮𝟲𝟳 (talk). 05:38, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support. Article looks good and this is very notable. Good to post. Fabvill (Talk to me!) 10:20, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  Emmy Awards are considered ITN/R, so notability/significance should NOT be considered in the nomination process, for what it's worth. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 10:35, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Agreed. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:C17C:A54A:1DF2:BBF2 (talk) 14:18, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Weak support Not super impressed by the prose, but seems just enough to post. The Kip ^(contribs) 15:19, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support. Not sure if these award ceremonies are usually ITN worthy, but my opinion is they should be, ergo my support vote. CREditzWiki, editor (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  @CREditzWiki the Emmys are WP:ITN/R, meaning they've already been deemed to be ITN-worthy. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:47, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  Based on that, keeping my support vote. CREditzWiki, editor (talk) 17:05, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: I revised the blurb for better grammar; all content is the same. RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:46, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Posted Blurb modeled after 2022 posting.—Bagumba (talk) 06:14, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment is there any reason we're mentioning these two but not Adolescence, which is what a lot of the news is focusing on? – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 08:45, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Adolescence won 6 awards according to our article, more than the ones we mention in the hook. Secretlondon (talk) 11:59, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  ITN/R presumes Best Comedy and Best Drama are the biggest categories to win, and it does not presume to include the show with the most wins. Obviously circumstances can vary, but that's where the blurb starts from. RunningTiger123 (talk) 12:13, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  FWIW, it's specified at Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items § Television, though the community can WP:IAR at any time (but hasn't in this nom).—Bagumba (talk) 17:45, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Beverly Thomson

Article: Beverly Thomson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/tv-anchor-and-veteran-journalist-beverly-thomson-dies-at-61-after-cancer-battle/
Credits:

• Nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)
• Updated by CurlingEnthusiast (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Noted Canadian female journalist. Article needs some minor updates. Flibirigit (talk) 01:14, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article quality is sufficient. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:39, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Is there a better source for her DoB than a tweet, please? Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 04:05, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jim Edgar

Article: Jim Edgar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit) and Foreheadman (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Illinois Governor. Article updates and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:59, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good and ready to go. AsaQuathern (talk) 05:25, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support: Good qualtiy article, well cited and relatively up to date. –DMartin 22:52, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Posted. Curbon7 (talk) 01:05, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

EuroBasket 2025

Article: EuroBasket 2025 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In basketball, the EuroBasket 2025 concludes with Germany beating Turkey 88–83 in the Final. Dennis Schröder is awarded MVP. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In basketball, Germany (MVP Dennis Schröder pictured) beats Turkey at EuroBasket 2025.
News source(s): https://www.fiba.basketball/en/events/fiba-eurobasket-2025/games/123033-TUR-GER
Credits:

• Nominated by Zafer (talk · give credit)
• Created by Bkakehootn (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Snowflake91 (talk · give credit)

 Zafer (talk) 20:15, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• I've put the blurb in a more concise format. That said, Oppose on quality, no prose, all tables for the results. Masem (t) 20:43, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Routine sport with no special significance and little news coverage. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:44, 14 September 2025 (UTC) (edit conflict)
• Oppose on quality low-effort troll vote above aside, agree with Masem. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:20, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Sports trivia, and not even one of the (far too many) ITN/R pieces of sports trivia This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:23, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  It is incredibly rude to call a AGF nomination of a major sports results as "trivia". If you don't like sports, fine, but sports results are something we post commonly, and we do not require a sports results to be ITNR to be posted. That said, where we do have multiple ITNR for a specific sport, the posting of a non-ITNR sports results can be seen as lacking the significance as those listed at ITN. Masem (t) 21:52, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Article should be at EuroBasket 2025 final, but that has no summary of the game per se. With that being said, we have not posted the last few EuroBaskets, even though some of the best players played, such as Luka and Giannis. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:03, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability Results from the most significant sporting events may warrant a blurb; this isn't one of them. Dr Fell (talk) 22:43, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Not sure why people considers this championship trivial since no reasoning was given in either case. I'm not sure either why it's not on the ITN/R list seeing how it's a reoccurring championship that is held every four years. That said, I concur with Howard the Duck in that the EuroBasket 2025 final should be the target article as with most other championship blurbs.
  I feel either article is not ready as the former has sourcing issues and the article about the final lacks prose. 5.57.242.223 (talk) 09:25, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability and quality pretty sure this gets nominated most years, and rejected. Don't see coverage to meet WP:ITNQUALITY. And I certainly see no match summary prose on EuroBasket 2025 (the only reasonable target bold article- strongly oppose ALT0 with player listed in bold, as they're not the main focus of the event). Joseph2302 (talk) 16:33, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Support - not sure what "little coverage" means; was front page news or at least received sustained coverage from French, Spanish, German, Greek, and even American newspapers. In France, it drew nearly a million viewers, 6 million in Germany, 20 million in Turkey, 70% of Greek viewers, nearly 2 million Finns, and 1 million Italians. On both an evidence and anecdotal basis (as someone who pays moderate attention to basketball), there definitely was a lot more engagement with EuroBasket this time around, both online and in person. This was the case stateside as well, meaning that it's gaining an international reach from the country with the premier basketball league.

With the game including noted Basketball giants like Antetokounmpo and the like, I think this is the year where one could argue for it's ITN posting. — Knightoftheswords 15:37, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

Support It's a huge moment in European basketball regardless of outcome and should be posted. Rager7 (talk) 16:36, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

This !vote is either a typo or categorically wrong. EuroBasket is an international basketball tournament. Natg 19 (talk) 16:53, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

See correction above. Rager7 (talk) 17:43, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mary Rose Oakar

Article: Mary Rose Oakar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cleveland.com]
Credits:

• Nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by LuniZunie (talk · give credit), Upton Liptrot (talk · give credit) and Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American politician. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 20:06, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article has fine sourcing and length for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:59, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article quality is sufficient. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:47, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support: Very good quality article. –DMartin 22:47, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Posted Sufficient enough. Curbon7 (talk) 03:17, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kwadwo Safo Kantanka

Article: Kwadwo Safo Kantanka (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable Ghanaian industrialist and automobile inventor Heatrave (talk) 13:08, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article's quality is good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:01, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment DOB issue: the article states unreferenced that his DOB was 26 August 1935, but this article state it was 26 August 1948. A few days of discrepancy is understandable, but 13 years? Curbon7 (talk) 21:13, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

   Done by me, see here. Further information regarding his birth date on 26 August 1948, see New African Magazine and Kristo Asafo Mission. Fabvill (Talk to me!) 13:11, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Just wanted to let you know it's since been reverted back to 1935 by another editor. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 18:46, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Posted On the shorter end, but good quality. Curbon7 (talk) 04:34, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ricky Hatton

Article: Ricky Hatton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manchester Evening News, The Independent, BBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British boxing champion  The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:47, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Date of death not yet officially confirmed. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:53, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

@Martinevans123: The BBC and Manchester Police have confirmed it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:58, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

The full GMP statement is this: "Officers were called by a member of the public to attend Bowlacre Road, Hyde, Tameside, at 6:45am today where they found the body of a 46-year-old man. There are not currently believed to be any suspicious circumstances."

Greater Manchester Police". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:16, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

@Martinevans123: Sky Sports confirmed this:

Hatton was found dead at his home in Hyde on Sunday morning. Greater Manchester Police said they are not treating the death as suspicious.

This means he was confirmed dead on 14 September 2025, Sunday on Great Britain time. Fabvill (Talk to me!) 13:19, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that's when it was confirmed, by GMP, that he was dead. It does not confirm when he actually died, which may have been one or more days before that. The inquest may establish the date, or it may not. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:29, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Sunday, which means 14 September is the date Hatton died on Great Britain time. Fabvill (Talk to me!) 10:34, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support: seems to be in good shape. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 12:05, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Manny Pacquiao vs. Ricky Hatton must have been the first boxing fight posted in ITN... Oscar De La Hoya vs. Manny Pacquiao tried, but didn't involve Caucasian Europeans. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:35, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. Quite a lot of citations needed across the article. No doubt it can be fixed though, I'll muck in myself this evening if nobody else gets to it.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:40, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
  • @Amakuru: I've just added some sources plus dealt with the tagged issues. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 05:04, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

    @The C of E: thanks for your work on this, it looks good now. Changing to Support, and marking as ready. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:59, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose the entire Ricky_Hatton#Professional_boxing_record section has no references. 109.159.122.79 (talk) 07:33, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
  • @109.159.122.79: This has been sourced now. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:27, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Posted. Curbon7 (talk) 21:10, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

(Ready) Canelo Álvarez vs. Terence Crawford

Article: Canelo Álvarez vs. Terence Crawford (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In boxing, Terence Crawford defeats Canelo Álvarez to become an undisputed world champion in three weight classes. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN CNN NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by HadesTTW (talk · give credit)
• Created by GhaziTwaissi (talk · give credit)
• Updated by GOAT Bones231012 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: We rarely nominate boxing matches, but we do so sometimes, such as Mayweather's last fight and Usyk winning over Fury. This is an exceptional win and no one in this era has ever become undisputed champion in three different classes, by every boxing organization. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 05:52, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Needs work I'm not sure of the standing of the super middleweight class and Zuffa Boxing but, in any case, the article doesn't yet have a report of what actually happened in the match. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:27, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose sports trivia better suited for DYK This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 10:09, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  Neither Terence Crawford nor Canelo Álvarez vs. Terence Crawford is currently eligible for DYK. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:24, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support on notability, The Independent, The Mirror, CNN, BBC Sport, Al Jazeera. Boxing seems underrepresented at ITN, in the past decade we've only posted Mayweather-McGregor, Mayweather-Pacquiao, and Usyk-Fury Kowal2701 (talk) 10:58, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  LOL we've posted more boat races than boxing fights in the last 10 years? Howard the Duck (talk) 13:38, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  Boxing is difficult because there's nothing like a championship series, only various title matches to determine who the belt-holder is in a given weight class. That's where here, that multiple sources saying having the title in three different weight classes makes this significant. Masem (t) 16:24, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  There are more boxing title fights in a month that boat races in a decade, but we still have posted more boat races than boxing fights in the past 10 years, despite the fact we haven't posted boat races for years now (LOL). Howard the Duck (talk) 16:29, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  Exactly that there are that many title fights in a month is why its hard to see what makes sense to post for boxing, because of how routine title fights are. This case is different, due to the multiple titles now held by Crawford. (That s, this is news because of that achievement, not because of the fight itself). Masem (t) 16:34, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  It also doesn’t help that every title fight is promoted as "fight of the century" etc. Kowal2701 (talk) 10:43, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support on notability per Kowal, oppose on quality as the target article needs more prose. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:58, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  Prose is now sufficiently updated. The Kip ^(contribs) 15:17, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support on notability I've added a few additional sources here from non-sports outlets that talk about how this significance. Oppose only quality. Masem (t) 15:02, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability, oppose on quality coverage and significance meets WP:ITNSIGNIF, but needs prose about fight itself. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:13, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability per Kowal. However, the article uses British and American spelling inconsistently. 64.114 etc 16:26, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose on notability. Agree with comment above that this is trivia. Absolutely not blurb-worthy. Dr Fell (talk) 16:19, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability and quality. I don't see why this is blurb-worthy, it appears to be sporting trivia to me. Black Kite (talk) 16:33, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  Oppose per Black Kite. ^EF⁵ 17:36, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment I started work on a Fight Details section and I'll look into expanding the rest of the article to put it up to standards. I don't see why this doesn't pass for notability as some voters have suggested, a three-division undisputed world champion last happened by Henry Armstrong and that was in the 1930s. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 17:38, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  It's unclear why it was notable then, either. This seems more like pub trivia. I can't imagine a newspaper running this on a front page – or even as a lead story in the Sport section. Perhaps a candidate for a future Did You Know. Dr Fell (talk) 22:51, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  Was on the front page of September 14th edition of El Universal, Mexico's largest newspaper. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:49, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

• Strong support notability - three division undisputed champion, first in ages. If this can't make ITN for a boxing match, then what? Omnifalcon (talk) 22:45, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support on both accounts. I think the article is good and this would be a great feature. I'm impressed with the detailed prose presented here. Very nice work! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:55, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  Comment. Personally, I didn't see much coverage on the fight. Better for DYK if possible. CREditzWiki, editor (talk) 16:53, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. While certainly INTERESTING, I do believe "undisputed in three weight classes" is something that falls in the trivia category. And I don't get this claim that boxing is underrepresented at ITN - we literally posted the first undisputed heavyweight championship in years when Usyk won it the first time, IIRC. All due respect to Crawford and his accomplishment, but I don't think being the undisputed super middleweight champion has the same pomp, at the very least if we're going by what the public is interested in. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:58, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose Mostly on notability grounds. Crawford was already champion, did this change anything? –DMartin 22:45, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  Crawford was WBA light middleweight champion; Canelo Álvarez was the undisputed super middleweight champion, and the titles on the line were Álvarez's championships. What changed was Álvarez no longer champion, and Crawford is now the undisputed super middleweight champion, aside from being WBA light middleweight champion. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:58, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Where's Andrew Davidson to point out that Canelo Álvarez vs. Terence Crawford had more page views than 2024–25 UEFA Champions League and 2025 UEFA Champions League final combined on the respective days of the event? Howard the Duck (talk) 00:10, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Support Crawford accomplished something that hadn’t been done since 1938, which elevates this fight above typical boxing matches. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:15, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Support - new record in popular sport that hasn't been achieved in 90 years; article of decent quality. — Knightoftheswords 13:52, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Support I will quote myself from the Usyk nom: "As a general rule, the top achievement in each sport should meet WP:ITNSIGNIF. Boxing is certainly as popular as many of the sports we post, but with the myriad titles and classes, it can be difficult to specify which achievement merits posting. However, when this problem impacts other sports, we have addressed it with more posts: 3 per year for marathons, 4.5 for golf, 4 for horse races and 7 total for the two codes of rugby. Crowning a new undisputed champ seems to be as good a standard as any for boxing. By my count, this is the 12th occurrence across classes in the last 5 years. I think that's a pretty good sweet spot in terms of posting frequency." The opposes here seem focused on the fact that Crawford is champion across several weight classes, which should amplify his accomplishment not detract from it. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:26, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Support A huge moment in terms of boxing and sports. Rager7 (talk) 15:40, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose This is important within sports, but feel that it falls short of ITN. Tradedia^talk 00:55, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Hafez Ahmadullah

Article: Hafez Ahmadullah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kalerkantho
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Owais Al Qarni (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 –𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 07:21, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support article looks great except red links. QalasQalas (talk) 18:13, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Posted AGF on offline source for DOB. Curbon7 (talk) 21:06, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

September 13

Portal:Current events/2025 September 13

September 13, 2025 (2025-09-13) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

• Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russia–NATO relations, Romania–Russia relations
  • Violations of non-combatant airspaces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
    • A Russian drone breaches Romanian airspace, prompting NATO forces to scramble fighter jets. Lublin Airport in eastern Poland is also closed again for the second time this week due to the threat of Russian drones. (Reuters)
• Gaza war
  • Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip
    • At least 62 people are killed and dozens of others are injured in Israeli airstrikes on the Gaza Strip. (Al Jazeera)
• Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
  • Afghanistan–Pakistan border skirmishes
    • Nineteen soldiers and 45 Pakistani Taliban militants are killed at two hideouts near the Durand Line in Bajaur District and South Waziristan District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, during clashes in the past two days. (Reuters) (The Canadian Press)

Disasters and accidents

• At least 61 people, mostly Sudanese refugees, are missing after a boat carrying 74 passengers capsized off Tobruk, Cyrenaica, Libya. (AFP via Barron's)
• At least 19 people are killed after a bus carrying wedding guests plunged into a river in Zamfara State, Nigeria. (MSN)
• At least 15 people are killed in a multi-vehicle collision along Federal Highway 180 between Campeche and Mérida in southeast Mexico. (Reuters)
• Four people are killed and one is injured after a passenger de Havilland Canada DHC-2 Beaver crashes near Makepeace Lake in Manitoba, Canada. (CBC)
• One person is killed and 25 others are injured, including three critically, in an explosion due to a gas leak at a bar in Madrid, Spain. (DW)

Law and crime

• 2025 Nepalese Gen Z protests
  • The government of Nepal lifts the curfew in Bhaktapur, Kathmandu, and Lalitpur, imposed on September 9, citing restored calm after Sushila Karki's appointment as interim prime minister. (AP)
• Ecuadorian security crisis
  • Seven people are killed in a shooting by criminal gangs at a pool hall in Santo Domingo, Ecuador, less than a month after a similar attack at a different pool hall in the city which also killed seven people. (CBS News) (AP)
• The German customs bureau arrests two men and seizes over 400 kg (880 lb) of cocaine at the port in Hamburg. (DW)

Politics and elections

• 2025 British anti-immigration protests
  • More than 100,000 people protest against illegal immigration in central London, England, in a rally led by right-wing activist Tommy Robinson. Thousands of anti-racism protesters and left-wing groups also hold counter-protests. (BBC News)
• 2025 Tanzanian general election
  • Tanzania's electoral commission accepts the nomination of ACT-Wazalendo candidate Luhaga Mpina for the upcoming presidential election after the High Court overturned Mpina's earlier disqualification. (Reuters)

Sports

• 2025 Speedway Grand Prix
  • In motorcycle speedway, Bartosz Zmarzlik become a record-equalling six-time motorcycle Speedway Grand Prix World champion. (FIM Speedway)
• Canelo Álvarez vs. Terence Crawford
  • In boxing, Terence Crawford defeats Canelo Álvarez by unanimous decision, becoming the undisputed super middleweight champion and the second ever three-weight undisputed boxing champion. (ESPN)
• The 2025 World Athletics Championships start in Tokyo, Japan. (ESPN)

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(Posted) RD: Hermeto Pascoal

Article: Hermeto Pascoal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 ArionStar (talk) 16:06, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support, articles look good. Good to post. Fabvill (Talk to me!) 10:50, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment More citations needed for Discography. Curbon7 (talk) 20:54, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  Discography section has sources already. Fabvill (Talk to me!) 10:36, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Support All but two items in the discography have been cited by Vladimir.copic and Curbon7. I'll look into those two and see what I can find. Anyway, I think it should be ready to post. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 04:39, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support - Agree that it’s ready to post. Good work! Jusdafax (talk) 19:35, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Posted. Curbon7 (talk) 21:51, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

(Pulled) Australia–Papua New Guinea relations

Article: Australia–Papua New Guinea relations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Australia and Papua New Guinea strengthen ties ahead of the latter's independence anniversary, announcing their militaries will become "totally integrated". (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Australia and Papua New Guinea sign a mutual defense treaty that will integrate the Australian Defence Force and the Papua New Guinea Defence Force.
News source(s): Australia and Papua New Guinea to 'totally integrate' military in defence treaty, minister says
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Chipmunkdavis (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Substantial and unusual announcement of a "totally" integrated military, even allowing for potential ministerial hyperbole. Both militaries will be able to hire the others' citizens. The agreement comes in the context of growing competition for influence in the Pacific with China, as well as with the symbolic 50th anniversary of one country's independence from the other. This story will go on for a couple of days, with formal signing expected in the next day or two. (The agreement itself probably sits on the edge of notability at the moment, will likely become much more firmly notable in the near future.) CMD (talk) 20:17, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Good faith nom, however there are some issues I have with this nomination; A) the target article is not directly primarily about the subject. I feel personally that ITN blurbs should target either the dedicated articles about the subject/event of the blurb or have substantial focus of the subject/event. There is currently relatively little prose about the announcement in the target article. B) I feel most treaty signings/announcements in general are a bit run of the mill to blurb C) relatively low impact/coverage globally. 5.57.243.123 (talk) 21:40, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability. Suitable for Current Events. Dr Fell (talk) 21:51, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

I do think it is likely notable, but being fresh news sources are not out yet. CMD (talk) 02:58, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:29, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose: Seems to be relatively minor on a global scale. –DMartin 05:11, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  Oppose per above. CREditzWiki, editor (talk) 05:26, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support, while a routine "friendship agreement" wouldn't be especially notable, the total integration of the militaries definitely is. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:56, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  Support as per Chaotic; it’s about the total integration of the militaries. 64.114 etc 23:14, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Among other points above, at minimum Wait until Monday (Sept 15) when the treaty is to be signed. Maybe there will be more coverage of it then. Masem (t) 21:56, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Soft support normal diplomatic updates shouldn't be included, but PNG integrating its military into Australia's is a special case. Scuba 22:42, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Support in principle, but wait until full treaty details are revealed — The integration of two militaries, recruitment permitted from either side, along with a pathway to citizenship. I would change the blurb though: "strengthen ties" doesn't mean anything in particular, and "ahead of the latter's independence anniversary" is trivia. A better altblurb could come up the details of the treaty are released. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 23:13, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Not saying it has to be in the blurb, but the independence anniversary is not trivia but part of the story. The treaty is being specifically timed for the event, no doubt part of both countries weaving that narrative of how ties remain close past independence etc. CMD (talk) 08:10, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

The timing is not necessarily important though; what is important is the military integration. The blurb will survive without this tidbit of information. Altblurb1 suggested. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 13:38, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support – I think Chipmunkdavis did a nice job improving the article in general in the past few days, besides of course writing about the new developments. I do agree that it might be best to wait until tomorrow, when the changes actually go into effect. Gives us one more day to improve the article further :) ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:02, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support per Chaotic Enby. This is hardly just some local trivia. Full integration between militaries isn't common by any means, and it's much more of an ironclad agreement than any old "mutual defense pact". DarkSide830 (talk) 17:06, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support two countries doing this is almost unheard of (unless the countries are run by same organisation). Thus, looks to meet WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:10, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Alt Blurb What is notable about this event is the merging of the previously seperate armed forces, not about "strengthening ties". However the integration is in itself very notable. Normalman101 (talk) 19:56, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Posted ALT Though there were an initial burst of opposes, I find the subsequent support arguments more substantive and convincing. Curbon7 (talk) 03:12, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Pull immediately – The treaty will be signed on September 17, it has not been signed yet. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 03:44, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  It's the 16th. Pulling it because it will be signed tomorrow is simply being petty. Aydoh8^{[what have I done now?]} 05:23, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  We shouldn't have "Australia and Papua New Guinea signed a treaty" on the front page when they have not in fact done so... What's the harm in pulling it for a day and then putting it back up? Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 05:45, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Blurb has since been changed from sign to announce.[10] —Bagumba (talk) 07:05, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  I thought it was signed the 15th, looks like I was wrong there. Curbon7 (talk) 18:12, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

The link on the blurb links to Australia–Papua_New_Guinea_relations#Mutual_Defence_Treaty, when it should link to Australia–Papua_New_Guinea_relations#Pukpuk_Treaty 675930s (talk) 06:05, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Link updated—Bagumba (talk) 07:09, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Pulled by WP:ERRORS Secretlondon (talk) 12:06, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Link, for reference.[11]—Bagumba (talk) 21:09, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment – Before this blurb is put back up, I want to note that certain editors over at WP:ERRORS (Andrew Davidson, Amakuru, Dumelow, UndercoverClassicist) have voiced their concerns about this story's notability and what "integrates" really means. It's become apparent that the militaries will not be combined into one, though the defense treaty (such as the Article 4-esque element) may still be notable. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 23:49, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
• Jam tomorrow... The latest news is Anthony Albanese fails to seal defence treaty between Australia and PNG. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:30, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: Also as mentioned on ERRORS, the militaries are not actually being integrated. Most support seems to be for the idea that they were merging, when they are not. Guardian. Secretlondon (talk) 10:43, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) United Kingdom anti-immigration rally

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Unite the Kingdom rally (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An estimated 110,000 anti-immigration protesters march on the United Kingdom government in London. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2025/sep/13/aerial-footage-shows-scale-of-unite-the-kingdom-rally-video
Credits:

• Nominated by 82.132.187.52 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Part the wider "2025 British anti-immigration protests" (see that Wikipedia page). Seems significant that there are only 5,000 counter protestors (but that may be due to the police, not a lack of will). 82.132.187.52 (talk) 16:18, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

• Strong oppose the current blurb if nothing else. Considering the population of the United Kingdom is in the range of 60,000,000, 110,000,000 seems a bit of an odd estimate to me. The article cited in the page 2025 British anti-immigration protests cites 100,000. I want to see an article for Unite the Kingdom be created, or for there to be more than a one paragraph update at the target on it. Departure– (talk) 16:26, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  There was an article, but it seems to have vanished. I can only assume the current offical estimate of 110k has been put out because it sounds less scary than the "more than 100,000" that your cite actually says. Worth noting that London itself has under 10 million people, and the biggest ever march in London was probably the 1.5 million who opposed the Iraq War. But 110k is not exactly small, and it definitely feels significant that they now outnumber the counter protesters by 20 to 1. It would be helpful to know why. 82.132.187.52 (talk) 16:51, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose While large in size, this seems to have lacked any significant impact - non-violent (good), no expected change yet as a result (compared to, for example, the Nepal protests). Masem (t) 17:04, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  That's not how UK politics/protest works. The significance is the size, specifically that in the eyes of the organizers it has been a huge success (true mass attendance, headline news, failure of the counter protest). You will never see a UK Prime Minister stand down or change policy under these circumstances. Arguably he already made a significant change to satisfy them, he just did it before the protest actually happened. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9rg9jj5kro Do not compare Nepal (or America) to the UK, they are (wildly) different countries. 82.132.187.163 (talk) 18:30, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  There is pretty much some protest going on somewhere in the world at any time, we have to be selective of what protests make sense to post to avoid ITN from becoming a protest tracker. A large but otherwise non-violent protest is very low on importance, compared to one that has caused an entire govt to collapse. Masem (t) 18:46, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  It doesn’t sound like you've put much thought into this at all. Would I be wrong in assuming you don't really have the first clue who Tommy Robinson, Nigel Farage, Shabana Mahmood or Kier Starmer even are? If the answer is no, then respectfully, please recognise you're probably not qualified to even give an opinion on what is and is not a significant protest in the UK. Your entire comment is inapplicable to the UK context - neither the poll tax protests of the 1990s or the Iraq War protests of the 2000s led to a change of government. But most will identify those as the two most significant political protests in recent UK history. Neither led to any immediate consequences, because that's not the British way of doing things. The day a mass protest in the UK leads to an immediate change in government, is the day Wikipedia will be completely irrelevant, because that will surely be the day something will have gone seriously wrong in the UK at large. Unimaginably wrong. 82.132.187.163 (talk) 19:39, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  Anyone is allowed to voice their opinion at an open discussion of a matter like this and regionalism being used to gatekeep consensus building of such by suggesting someone outside of the area is "probably not qualified to even give an opinion" is not helpful in the slightest. Masem has a good point here, in my opinion, regardless of their knowledge of UK politics. The same argument could be used for a similar protest anywhere else in the world, because the substance of the argument is the same regardless of the specific people it concerns. Departure– (talk) 19:53, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  How is it a good point? Unless I have misunderstood it, it's a de facto ban on considering any political protest significant if it occurred in a non-violent politically stable country. Which is obviously nonsense because this is an encyclopedia where all countries are equally relevant, not a tabloid which only concerns itself with eye catching chaotic countries. Who benefits from this approach? Masem can't even answer that if he has absolutely no idea how many times his argument will have meant a politically significant protest in the UK has been rejected by Wikipedia. 82.132.187.163 (talk) 21:13, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  My point is that there are far too many protests that occur on a routine basis that to give any protest that lacks any clear and immediate impact a space on ITN would be too low of a bar and would lead to us likely to post protests on a nearly-daily basis. ITN is not a newspaper and is meant to feature quality articles that reflect the coverage in the news, and for the most part, non-violent protests tend to get minimal news treatment (even locally), whereas those with immediate effects often get far wider coverage that justifies the reason to post them. This is nothing about UK politics, because the same is true for US politics or EU politics or the like. Masem (t) 23:34, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  I'm going to add that at this stage the protests are still not ITN, but they are also still occurring with some heating up (a dozen some ppl arrested today). It could turn worse at which point that would become more likely as an ITN. Masem (t) 13:20, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - There's a protest singer, he's singing a protest song. Nfitz (talk) 17:13, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  What? 82.132.187.163 (talk) 18:31, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  What?? I'm thunderstruck! They got free speech, tourists, police in trucks! Nfitz (talk) 19:18, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  Your facetiousness is inappropriate. 82.132.187.163 (talk) 19:53, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  On ITV and BBC they talk about the curse! Philosophy is useless, theology is worse. Nfitz (talk) 21:38, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. Notably large and yet another indicator of an ideological shift in Great Britain, but large political rallies are rarely if ever prominent enough for ITN. Nepal’s “protests” were destructive riots followed by an overthrow of government. UtK is unlikely to be an inflection point. Current Events is the right home for this. Dr Fell (talk) 18:33, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  Why are people even comparing this protest to what happened in Nepal? It's nonsense. There are sound reasons to believe this is already an era defining inflection point in UK politics, induced by protests. It stands in stark contrast to how this and other recent governments have reacted to mass but peaceful protests. This exact government has already flatly refused to give in to several rallies held for gaza, climate, welfare and tax policy. Their response to this movement is different. They're in an existential crisis, with Reform UK having already effectively destroyed the other mainstream UK party. There's the significance, for anyone who doesn't really understand the subtleties of how things now work in this peaceful two party democracy in a post-2008 world. Perhaps because they're numbed to the chaos of Trump's America, or the general violence seen elsewhere. This is not normal. The complete failure of the counter protest, is the truly scary part. That's new. 82.132.187.163 (talk) 20:20, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  Because the events in Nepal quickly and directly led to a change in government. This isn't a venue to discuss politics only the notability of events. If UtK results in Starmer making a notable concession to the demands of the protesters or if it results in a collapse of his government, those events could be worth an ITN item. (I don’t see how Starmer can shift much to the right before he starts losing MPs to the fledgling Your Party.) There has to be a notable event for this to be featured news. The Met estimate is 110,000 attendees. I've seen reports that the actual number is higher but cannot find a reliable source with a solid estimate. The Iraq War protest in 2003 had over a million in attendance. The UtK rally would need numbers that high to be significant enough on its own to warrant mention. Or it would need to produce a significant political development – policy concession, MP defections in large numbers, leadership challenge, general election called, etc. Finally, to use somewhat fiery language, the 2025 British anti-immigration protests article that would be linked to is in a sorry state. Rather than documenting the event and offering balanced analysis, it’s overtly biased. Dr Fell (talk) 21:37, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment As of now, Unite the Kingdom rally is a redirect to the page 2025 British anti-immigration protests, but there is no prose on the 13 September rally outside the lede, itself uncited. Departure– (talk) 18:58, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose The No Kings protest saw a higher percentage of the country and a higher total number of people protest, and it wasn't posted. Protests only become notable enough for ITN when they lead to immediate change or some sort of riot, and until that happens, it won't be posted. Elipticon (talk) 20:18, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  Whoever decided that should be the rule, is an idiot. It's a de facto ban on noting any significant political protests in the UK. I can't think of a single protest in recent UK history that would ever meet this ridiculous criteria, biased as it is toward violent and politically unstable chaotic countries. And for what purpose? Only a fool would think UK politics is not something the readers of Wikipedia are interested in, surely. The country has never felt less politically stable, and that's saying something given what happened in the last decade with Brexit etc. 82.132.187.163 (talk) 20:41, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  The 2024 United Kingdom riots and 2011 England riots were posted. Sahaib (talk) 20:47, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  Exactly. Some people here seem to think the words riot and protest are interchangeable, or worse, the word riot simply means significant protest. These people should go and find a hobby that is better suited to their limited abilities 82.132.186.240 (talk) 23:17, 13 September 2025 (UTC) Struck per WP:BLUDGEON. ROY is WAR Talk! 10:25, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  IP editor, you've replied to nearly every comment here with some sharp rebuttal and (in my opinion) it's approaching WP:BLUDGEON levels. I advise you to take a step back from this discussion. Departure– (talk) 21:13, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose, immigration is always in the news in the UK, so it is not like this came out of nowhere (If it did, it would probably be more notable). Sahaib (talk) 20:33, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose, another nothing-burger in the grand scheme of immigration-related news in the UK. No change of government, no deaths, no widespread massive chaos.. not really worthy for ITN. Kline • talk • contribs 21:27, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

  What a ridiculous opinion. People must be off their heads if they genuinely think the UK would change its government due to a peaceful protest of even this size. When the hell has that even happened? They must be barking mad if it genuinely takes people dying before Wikipedia should deem a "protest" to be significant. The word is PROTEST, not riot or revolution. Similarly if they want to see widespread chaos. The UK isn't France, it is perfectly possible for 100,000 people to make their opinions known without bringing the country to a halt. What you moronically call a "nothing burger" is a very large protest speaking to a very major issue that everyone here is hoping doesn’t get so badly handled it leads to a change of government any time soon, because that would be very very bad. But at least then, when the violence really erupts and centuries of political orthodoxy is overturned, maybe then you might deem it worthy. At which point, who the hell would care anyway? How self important do you people really imagine you are, if you assume a world where a country as important as the UK is, is in such dire straits over such an explosive issue that there is widespresd chaos and deaths and changes in government, anyone would still have the time or inclination to bother with Wikipedia at all? If the UK government is ever toppled by a mass march, that would probably be about the same time the USA is in a full scale civil war. So good luck with that. Hard to keep charity funded servers online in such a scenario, I would have thought. 82.132.186.240 (talk) 23:39, 13 September 2025 (UTC) Stuck!, Harassment to the editor.ROY is WAR Talk! 10:25, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

IP editor, please stop using such phrasing as What a ridiculous opinion, What you moronically call, and How self important do you people really imagine you are. It constitutes personal attacks and incivility. This is the third time I've called this sort of behaviour out; please let this be the last. Departure– (talk) 23:49, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose I struggle to see any lasting impact from this. 5.57.243.123 (talk) 21:42, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:30, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Good faith nom, but these have been happening for a while now as far as i'm aware. If any notable impact results from this protest today, I'll consider changing my vote. But, I just can't see the UK government changing their stance on immigration any time soon, and I doubt these protests will convince them. I wish the protesters all the best Hungry403 (talk) 01:40, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose: Racists yelling about nothing as per usual. Event isnt even notable enough for its own article, let alone a mainpage blurb. –DMartin 05:22, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

  Not sure about the wording (my sensitive arse) but agree on oppose. CREditzWiki, editor (talk) 05:27, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment The article is currently orange-tagged over a curious dispute as to whether it was "anti-immigration" or not. Such protests seem to be an ongoing thing and Operation Raise the Colours seems to be more of a novel phenomenon with its own article. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:40, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) Sushila Karki

Article: Sushila Karki (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After widespread protests in Nepal, Sushila Karki (pictured) is appointed interim prime minister, replacing K. P. Sharma Oli. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Sandstein (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Change in head of government  Sandstein 06:17, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

• Support Target article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:03, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support major update in the protests, possibly also worth noting she's the first woman to hold the position. V. L. Mastikosa (talk) 10:35, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support first woman to head the Prime Minister position. बडा काजी (talk) 11:27, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Note that right now the resignation is still on the ITN. Assuming this will be posted, I know that one will roll to be replaced by this one (which is proper, there's enough time separate here that simply updating the blurb doesn't make sense). That said, because there the protests were featured, and a spot check shows no obvious new quality issues, I recommend that also be added as a featured here alongside Karki's article. Masem (t) 12:09, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support since it is official. CREditzWiki, editor (talk) 13:15, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support and agreed with Masem here that the protests should be bolded as well because it’s an update to that blurb. GhostStalker (Got a present for ya! / Mission Log) 13:46, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Ready. ArionStar (talk) 15:52, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Ready. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:30BE:AA4D:1A8:864E (talk) 16:12, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• I'm mildly concerned about the Notable decisions subheader being half-uncited. I'd check to see if such appeared in source 23 but kathmandupost.com is down. Departure– (talk) 14:24, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Hold on per Departure. Please, fix the CN tags that I've added. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:03, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support good to go. @GreenLipstickLesbian fixed it. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:49, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support; good to go. 207.194.85.134 (talk) 21:24, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support Change in the head of government is nearly always important, especially after the scale of the protests that caused it. NewishIdeas (talk) 23:13, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support: @Admins willing to post ITN: ROY is WAR Talk! 00:38, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Posted - Fuzheado | Talk 01:28, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Post-posting support Well done to everyone for getting this up quickly. –DMartin 05:26, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

September 12

Portal:Current events/2025 September 12

September 12, 2025 (2025-09-12) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

• Israeli–Palestinian conflict
  • Palestinian political violence
    • A Palestinian assailant stabs two Israeli civilians in Tzova, Jerusalem District. (The Times of Israel)
• 2025 Nepalese Gen Z protests
  • Nepali police announce that nine prisoners have been killed and 12,500 others are at large after a series of jailbreaks across Nepal amid the ongoing protests. (Al Jazeera)
• Haitian conflict
  • At least 42 people are killed by armed gangs, including the Viv Ansamn, in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. (AP)
• Myanmar civil war
  • At least 18 people, mostly students, are killed in a Tatmadaw airstrike on two schools in Kyauktaw Township in Rakhine State, Myanmar, an area controlled by the Arakan Army. (AP)
• Turkey–Islamic State conflict
  • Turkish police arrest 161 people suspected of being members of the Islamic State (IS) over the last week and seize unlicensed weapons and IS documents in raids in 38 provinces, including Istanbul and Ankara. (AP)

Business and economy

• Norges Bank removes French mining company Eramet from Norway's sovereign wealth fund, citing risks of human rights abuses and environmental damage linked to a nickel mining project in Halmahera, Indonesia. (AFP via New Straits Times)

Disasters and accidents

• At least 23 people are killed while five others are reported missing following days of flash floods and landslides in Bali and East Nusa Tenggara, Indonesia. (Al Jazeera
• 2025 Hassan district truck accident
  • At least nine people are killed and 23 others are injured, including several critically and the driver, when a truck rams into people celebrating the Ganesh Chaturthi Hindu festival in Hassan district, Karnataka, India. (News18) (The Times of India)
• A ski lift accident on Mount Elbrus in Russia kills two people and injures nine others. (AP)

International relations

• Israeli–Palestinian conflict, Eightieth session of the United Nations General Assembly
  • In a 142–10 vote with 12 abstentions, the UN General Assembly adopts the New York Declaration, calling for a ceasefire in the Gaza war, the release of hostages, the disarmament of Hamas, and renewed momentum toward a two-state solution. (The Guardian)
• Kosovo–United States relations, North Kosovo crisis
  • The United States suspends its planned negotiations with Kosovo, citing caretaker government actions that it says have increased tensions and instability in the region. (Reuters)

Law and crime

• Killing of Charlie Kirk
  • A 22-year-old is arrested as a suspect in the killing of American political commentator Charlie Kirk two days ago. (CNN)
• Costa Rican police arrest four suspects in the killing of exiled Nicaraguan former military officer Roberto Samcam near San José in June. (Reuters)
• The South African high court reopens an inquest into the 1977 death in police custody of anti-apartheid leader Steve Biko to determine possible crimes committed. (Reuters)

Politics and elections

• 2025 Indian vice presidential election
  • C. P. Radhakrishnan is sworn in as the 15th vice president of India. (NDTV)
• 2025 Nepalese Gen Z protests
  • The House of Representatives is dissolved and Sushila Karki is appointed interim prime minister of Nepal, making her the first woman to head Nepal's government. (AP) (India Today)

Sports

• 2026 Winter Olympics, Bobsleigh at the Winter Olympics, Skeleton at the Winter Olympics
  • The International Bobsleigh and Skeleton Federation votes to ban Russian athletes from competing, including under neutral status, at next year's Winter Olympic Games in Milan and Cortina d'Ampezzo, Italy. (AP)

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(Posted) RD: Kim Seong-min (defector)

Article: Kim Seong-min (defector) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit), Dmartin969 (talk · give credit) and 98.170.164.88 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: North Korean defector renowned for piercing Free North Korea Radio. --QalasQalas (talk) 23:17, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Suppot, well sourced, although has one CN tag, and could use more info on his activites after 2006, if possible. V. L. Mastikosa (talk) 23:23, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support: I commented out one uncited claim, but other than that good quality article. –DMartin 23:06, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Lead is only one sentence, Unsourced birth year.—Bagumba (talk) 06:56, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

  Strike, appear resolved.—Bagumba (talk) 15:42, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Support I worked a bit on the article and think it's better now. There are no outstanding CN tags. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 08:48, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 20:31, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Ted Goveia

Article: Ted Goveia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ticats
Credits:

• Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cmm3 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: An Ineffable Legacy in Canadian Football. QalasQalas (talk) 23:31, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Not yet ready CFL GM record is unsourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:11, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Unreferenced DOB. Curbon7 (talk) 23:40, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

  The DOB that was previously given (June 5, 1970) was actually wrong, as far as I can tell. I have corrected and cited his DOB as June 2, 1970, based on the obit from the funeral home and this article from his team's website, which states that "his illness and impending treatment were officially announced on June 5, three days after he turned 55" (WP:CALC applies). 98.170.164.88 (talk) 01:50, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Eusebius J. Beltran

Article: Eusebius J. Beltran (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Oklahoman
Credits:

• Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and 152.132.9.71 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A longtime archbishop Emeritus Eusebius Beltran, legendary OKC Catholic leader. QalasQalas (talk) 23:31, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Posted. Curbon7 (talk) 01:16, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

RD: Jack Daniels (coach)

Article: Jack Daniels (coach) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): runnersworld
Credits:

• Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Star Garnet (talk · give credit) and Yoshikid64 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American legendary coach and elite innovative popularized exercise science. QalasQalas (talk) 23:42, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Orange-tagged for citations. Curbon7 (talk) 01:09, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

The "Training philosophy" and "VDOT" sections lack inline citations. I suspect that the content of those sections is right and may be backed up by sources in the bibliography, but as it stands I don't think we can post it. Also, this content is quite technical for a biography article, even one of a scientist/researcher, but it does seem notable and useful. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 05:21, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

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